Ben *Aksoy

[GreaseMonkey]

I know you told me not to get technical but weren't the first changes to AoS Beta just made within a few months of it's initial release? I remember when updates were coming out every week. Pardon my ignorance.

The difference is that Ben had the source code whereas I only had a disassembly. I had to reverse engineer what stuff actually did.

I deliberately ensured that the "tent" at least wasn't too similar to the AoS tent, and it shows.

Chat placement could be argued to be in the same place as in Minecraft. The killfeed placement, on the other hand, is where I believe it was in I think 0.60.

The colour palette is meant to be close to the AoS palette, at least for now. I might try the Sega Master System palette at some stage, although that's damn tricky (plus I can't practically use pure black, sorry - need to fix that!).

With that said, 1.0 doesn't have a colour palette, the intel/tent indicators were changed in 0.61, and to think about the minimap, the "Location" indicator is actually learn_more's idea if I recall correctly.

But having said that, scum will always try to sue for something. Hell, maybe even patent infringement. Maybe even the potential to allow patent infringement. I believe it's worth the risk, anyway.

[Winston_]

Didn't JoJoeStinky help out for the Mat^2 version of OpenGL? He's on my Steam friends list and still active :D!

[rakiru]

I know you told me not to get technical but weren't the first changes to AoS Beta just made within a few months of it's initial release? I remember when updates were coming out every week. Pardon my ignorance.

Sorry, but I don't understand what you're getting at. Why would the timing of releases change anything?

[InfraRedAnus]

I think that we'll haveto stick with Iceball cuzz iceball is fucking awesome plus it was independently coded (not copied is whati mean) and jagex can suck my nuts if they want to do any legal shit on iceball.

[Dzhoel]

I think that we'll haveto stick with Iceball cuzz iceball is fucking awesome plus it was independently coded (not copied is whati mean) and jagex can suck my nuts if they want to do any legal shit on iceball.

its hard though, they could pull out the legal card if Iceball becomes popular enough. Greasemonkey, despite his efforts to be different from Ace of Spades, will havec a hard time explaining to lawyers that this is no way related to Ace of Spades. The hard part is explaining gameplay to the lawyers

[TDuffin]

1. Yeah, like everyone here, JAGEX most likely have them under lock-and-key when it comes to AoS, they'd be in crap the moment they even made an account here. JAGEX know we're here, and they know the old devs are a threat to their 'wonderful and fun' video game. We wont hear from them unless they make another good game together. And Ben only made this game for the sake of making a game, this entire game was a fluke, he won't make another sequel or blockbuster like this, it's exactly the same with it's sister game- Minecraft - When MC goes bust, Mojang will have to live off the less popular games they will have made by then (0x10c and Scrolls, only known because Mojang have their community to advertise it to). Tl:dr They won't come back, and they can't come back. Nor will they make a game to beat this one.

2. Vucgy never makes contributions to discussions, he just complains and makes assumptions. Look on the Iceball thread and you can easily see that he's impatient and doesn't obey the 'friendly requests' by GreaseMonkey for him to leave, and not to dig himself a hole. Obviously he enjoys testing our own patience, leave him be. I always get tempted to report him, but I don't like telling tales.

3. Lawsuit? challenge JAGEX to a game of Aos 0.75 if they lose they drop the charges. Mojang's done that with Bethesda (or they challenged them to Quake, at least) and they also played against Avolition (griefing clan) where they beat them in return for the founders to remove their sites distributing free Minecraft copies to players. Yeah, I'm biased to Mojang, but they are good at handling the very situations we may be put into in the future.

[Sonarpulse]

I am pretty sure based on the number of completely unoriginal games commercial game there are out there that Iceball is safe in that regard.

[rakiru]

in return for the founders to remove their sites distributing free Minecraft copies to players

Technically, they weren't distributing free copies of Minecraft, but letting people play Minecraft for free on the website.
Also, Dylan (site owner) took the site down when asked anyway and the Quake game was mostly just for fun.

its hard though, they could pull out the legal card if Iceball becomes popular enough. Greasemonkey, despite his efforts to be different from Ace of Spades, will havec a hard time explaining to lawyers that this is no way related to Ace of Spades. The hard part is explaining gameplay to the lawyers

What? Please explain to me on what grounds they could sue over Iceball.

I am pretty sure based on the number of completely unoriginal games commercial game there are out there that Iceball is safe in that regard.

Yes, this. ^

[Dzhoel]

Well, i dont know about law so i cant be sure
The gameplay of Iceball is extremely similar to .75

Its gameplay is theoretically the same, some models are the same and pretty much the general idea of ace of spades is in Iceball. they could sue just for that.

[Triplefox]

I'm not a lawyer, but I've seen enough game law cases to know what game companies prefer to sue over.

What Jagex is thinking about, and would want in any legal action is either money(because someone other than them is making it) or IP(because it's an existential threat to existing business, or it's an opportunity for easy money).

On the first ground, Iceball fails because it's not making money, and neither is Build and Shoot(at least, not at this time). On the second, a threat or opportunity from Iceball hasn't manifested yet because it doesn't have any players or reputation outside of a few people in this community, so it's just another hobby project to them, not worth any attention at all. BnS is a threat, but not a legal one(the worst they could be pinned for at this time is defamation, but that would be hard to argue).

My own suspicion is that Jagex is likely to enter administration within a year or two, and the Ace of Spades IP will change hands, presumably to Insight Venture Partners(who will, in turn, probably want to sell it off). If a chance for the community to buy it comes up, the IP could be freed right at that moment.

http://forums.zybez.net/topic/1552827-b ... f-fortune/

The company has been in "extractive tech company" mode for quite a while now, and in gaming that usually signals an impending fall, because there's a sudden collapse in players when a game hits the end of its natural lifecycle and the company turns to extractive measures to maintain profit. Jagex are not a game design culture - their innovation was in being one of the first to do free to play, and that's no advantage anymore - and they aren't likely to strike gold again with any of their new products, so this is pretty much it.

[Articsledder]

I'm not a lawyer, but I've seen enough game law cases to know what game companies prefer to sue over.

What Jagex is thinking about, and would want in any legal action is either money(because someone other than them is making it) or IP(because it's an existential threat to existing business, or it's an opportunity for easy money).

On the first ground, Iceball fails because it's not making money, and neither is Build and Shoot(at least, not at this time). On the second, a threat or opportunity from Iceball hasn't manifested yet because it doesn't have any players or reputation outside of a few people in this community, so it's just another hobby project to them, not worth any attention at all. BnS is a threat, but not a legal one(the worst they could be pinned for at this time is defamation, but that would be hard to argue).

My own suspicion is that Jagex is likely to enter administration within a year or two, and the Ace of Spades IP will change hands, presumably to Insight Venture Partners(who will, in turn, probably want to sell it off). If a chance for the community to buy it comes up, the IP could be freed right at that moment.

http://forums.zybez.net/topic/1552827-b ... f-fortune/

The company has been in "extractive tech company" mode for quite a while now, and in gaming that usually signals an impending fall, because there's a sudden collapse in players when a game hits the end of its natural lifecycle and the company turns to extractive measures to maintain profit. Jagex are not a game design culture - their innovation was in being one of the first to do free to play, and that's no advantage anymore - and they aren't likely to strike gold again with any of their new products, so this is pretty much it.

Hopefully there lack of published financial information is a signal that there end is coming soon. To be honest any gaming company, even EA would be better then Jagex right now.

[InfraRedAnus]

I think that we'll haveto stick with Iceball cuzz iceball is fucking awesome plus it was independently coded (not copied is whati mean) and jagex can suck my nuts if they want to do any legal shit on iceball.

its hard though, they could pull out the legal card if Iceball becomes popular enough. Greasemonkey, despite his efforts to be different from Ace of Spades, will havec a hard time explaining to lawyers that this is no way related to Ace of Spades. The hard part is explaining gameplay to the lawyers

Yeah but the game was made with its own codes, that aren't the same as AoS, and there are plenty of games similar to popular or games made by big companies. Like there are a bunch of games similar to Mincraft only the addition of guns and shit (hurhur AoS) I mean the origional AoS (PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG AND STARTED PLAYING AT .75 SO I AM A N00B) was mean't to be a sort of WWI Trench warfare kinda game based somewhat off of mincraft (you know the building aspect) but became... what say you, Its own Genra (fail spelling me iz stoopids).

Also I completely agree with destroying the blue facsits!

[rakiru]

Well, i dont know about law so i cant be sure
The gameplay of Iceball is extremely similar to .75

Its gameplay is theoretically the same, some models are the same and pretty much the general idea of ace of spades is in Iceball. they could sue just for that.

The gameplay is pretty generic. I guess there aren't many games that combine shooting and building/destruction, but it's still not a completely new thing, and the gamemodes (CTF being the only supported one right now) have existed for decades. As for the models, they are different. The models Iceball has were made specifically for it, and they, once again, are pretty generic things. A briefcase model for intel is in several games, such as TF2, the rifle is a standard-looking rifle, and the players are army-style people, made of voxels because, well, it's a voxel engine.

[Razor]

Well i think that jagex told him to lay off for the fourms and ect. So that they can make the maximum youtubs monies 1337 quack off of every single liviing chicken out there.

[Cheknov]

That depends, I do think he's gone permanently.

Now, his Twitter @BCoolFace is EMPTY.

Don't know about you, but I think he's hiding from the JagEx mess. We need him here now.

I wouldn't call it empty, he just posted on the 11th.


He's probably got a nondisclosure act with Jagex and isn't allowed to talk about the game.

Uh-oh, get him over here and give him a new name.

Jagex acts like a little sister; wants all the attention and screams when not being attended to. I'd also like to point out where Mat^2 went as well.

Whether or not Jagex has the name, me and a group of Indie devs are actually working with the code of the old 7.0 vers of the original AoS code that Aksoy made, to create a new game that retains some of the classic feel such as the customization of weapons, players, flags et cetera, to generated maps, and much of the abilities of the old one. Due to legality we obviously can't use Ace of Spades as the name, but since Jagex is now using a different code and engine, we're going to keep it on the Voxlap engine, which is open sourced thanks to Ken Silverman wanting people to make games from his engine.

We haven't decided a name on it yet, but we'll have a site up within the coming months showing our work, on remaking the old AoS into something better and fun, without doing what Jagex did and derailing the entire game. With our ideas over the game, player input will be a must so instead of doing what we want, suggestions once the site is up that get the most hits will become apart of the game. Also, one thing we'd love to implement is a fully integrated anti-hack program that would globally-ban, since as players of Aksoy's original AoS were rather annoyed of the used of Injections in the game to hack. Just keep an eye on the webs for us.