SMG.

[TheSifodias]

Smg isn't out, since most people believed it wasn't significant enough for a game change.
Besides, how many people here have actually used the smg for a consecutive 3-4 games? Or is everyone here just complaining about when they get killed by a stray bullet while crouch spamming?

SMG: Concept was profound as a suppression weapon and as a weapon that would force other players into cover. Problem is that when needed tweaks to not make the SMG an AR, they did not come.

[Vucgy]

I think the SMG make the game better ( I knew its OP ,breaks blocks to fast , to accurate and much more) But better then having one gun ( or a game without a Automatic Gun) , also if the SMG would get a drastically Damage Decease to 50 25 15 or so It would be cool , So that it gets useful as a Close Quarters and as a Block Destroying weapon. Without its use as a Super accurate Assault Rifle.

[Vucgy]

I think the SMG make the game better ( I knew its OP ,breaks blocks to fast , to accurate and much more) But better then having one gun ( or a game without a Automatic Gun) , also if the SMG would get a drastically Damage Decease to 50 25 15 or so It would be cool , So that it gets useful as a Close Quarters and as a Block Destroying weapon. Without its use as a Super accurate Assault Rifle.

What's wrong with no automatic weapons? What's wrong with not putting random capitalization?
What's wrong with you?

1. So non automatic weapons are 1.Bolt Rifles/Snipers 2.Semi Rifle 3.Shotgun 4.Pistol I don't get any more... And I dont knew any game That got just non automatic weapons ( yes I don't count in Iceball as it isn't at the state to be called a Game)
2. I Love That
3. I don't knew What you'r talking , maybe something is wrong with you I just posted a Constructive Post about the SMG , nothing more o_O ?

[White Hot]

Chill out with insulting Vgucy's grammar, I think he's Russian (although he could be a really stupid American )

[Lemmy]

I really like your contribution to the topic, Lemmy. But that distance is way off. That's more than a flat diagonal over the map. The value for the rate of fire for the the rifle: that is based on the theoretical ability of the mechanism, or is that an automatic rifle?

The rate of fire value provided (700 rounds per minute) was for a real M-14 in full auto. Keep in mind the M-14 is what is known as a select fire weapon, which means it has a selector switch that allows the operator to choose between full auto and semi auto fire. For the benefit of those who don't know: Semi auto is one shot per trigger pull until ammunition is depeted. Full auto mode will allow the weapon to fire until the trigger is released or ammunition is depleted. It was historically completely uncontrollable in full auto mode because of its relatively low weight.

The in game rifle is essentially full auto only. As long as the mouse button is held down it will continue to fire until the button is released or you run out of ammo, however the rate of fire is set so low that you can easily fire one round quite easily. It is my weapon of choice, so I care about decisions that effect its performance, but in the interest of balance and fairness it just can't be modeled realistically. Imagine a game weapon with the accuracy and hitting power of the rifle with a higher rate of fire than the SMG. The bitchfest in the text buffer would be epic.

Ultimately I would like to see the full auto capability removed: one round fired per mouse click. I don't want to "nerf" the accuracy at all (which is why I posted a theoretical 800 block distance), but since laser accuracy is generally frowned upon, I think it should be more difficult to initiate a follow up shot by increasing the visible recoil. I believe someone mentioned button mashing the mouse as a theoretical issue. I have no problem with a time limit placed on the trigger.

Basically I want the darn thing to shoot where I aim it as far out as I can see it, but it should be more difficult for me to make a follow up shot. I would also be willing to eliminate the "from the hip" ring and bead sight, so that it would be more difficult to use as a melee weapon, but that's just me.

[rakiru]

Well written post, and I agree with it entirely.

[rakiru]

Looking at my last played games in Steam, only about half of them have automatic weapons.

[BigJuice]

I found a solution to this

Spoiler:

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[Space Inspader]

I found a solution to this. Iceball. This SMG thread wasn't bent on disabling SMG from AoS, but from Iceball.

[rakiru]

I found a solution to this. Iceball. This SMG thread wasn't bent on disabling SMG from AoS, but from Iceball.

Not even disabling, just never letting it taint the game in the first place.

[Handles]

I found a solution to this. Iceball. This SMG thread wasn't bent on disabling SMG from AoS, but from Iceball.

Not even disabling, just never letting it taint the game in the first place.

Correct don't put it in in the first place so we don't ever have to take it out!

[Fluttershy]

Gotta pave the way for "Iceball: point and click extravaganza". Am I right?

[Handles]

Yes

[Venator]

I have a idea for the smg:
-Slow firerate
-200 bullets in 1 magazine
-spreads like hell
-recoil is horrible
-crounching is the only way you can even hit 2 bullets
-Damagage is about 7 for body and 13 for head
Then we only would be able to use the smg as supression

[rakiru]

I have a idea for the smg:
-Slow firerate
-200 bullets in 1 magazine
-spreads like hell
-recoil is horrible
-crounching is the only way you can even hit 2 bullets
-Damagage is about 7 for body and 13 for head
Then we only would be able to use the smg as supression

Not an SMG then.