We have become what we hated the most

[ReubenMcHawk]

Yeah, I hate to agree with jdrew here, but really? "If you run and gun in PS2, you don't deserve to play the game." Who are you to tell people they don't deserve to play a game? You're stuck in your own subjective views and refusing to see outside of them. There is no such thing as the "right way" to play a game, especially one that's designed to be as open as this one is.

As for the whole idea of growing, I'd say that a large amount of people have already heard of AoS and possibly tried it out, this game used to be pretty big on 4chan and reddit a while back. There's nothing wrong with accepting a smaller community, and it's not the fault of any group or gamemode. Some people just got bored. Hell, I haven't played in a few months now, it just got old for me.

Show me some proof that there's some mass exodus of players going on, as well as proof that it's directly correlated to an increase in "bad" (opinionated) players, and then we'll talk.

[Arkger]

Who are you to tell me what games I can nad can not play? I have never played cod multilayer but the campaigns are ok, at least MW 1 & 2 were. What do you mean "acting like AoS is the only choice"? And why do you think someone not in the community wouldn't play AoS? Ace of Spades has always been a free game and lots of people like the gameplay even now when there are hackers. You are making broad statements, sorry for being a hypocrite here guys, without having any evidence to back up your clams! Which further more makes all over your statements and arguments meaningless with no data to back them up. You are also still talking for people you have never met or seen.

I said you don't deserve to play it, not that you cannot. And you said you would rather play with a bunch of hackers, which is something many people wouldn't, they would just go play another game. And that's the thing, AoS being free means that there would be no hesitation to leave, they haven't paid anything, so why not leave? There are 1000s of games out there, nothing will tether them to a game that in it's current state has been outbested by everything else, unless you are playing it how it was envisioned. Broad Statements? Clams? Elaborate for me please, I don't know what you're getting at. And how are my words meaningless? I'm talking from experience, these reasons are why I was playing on and off. I quit for a time last year because all that was there was freaking hallway and pinpoint, not to mention nuketown had came out. So I just played some Mw3 and called it a day. Plus, I have tons of friends I have referred to the game. They all just end up saying they prefer combat Arms for fast paced gameplay, or freaking CounterStrike for Arena.'

@Reuben Not starting with you again. Bring me a valid point instead of trying to start an argument, and we can discuss it, I have no intentions to deal with your petty jabs.

[ReubenMcHawk]

@Reuben Not starting with you again. Bring me a valid point instead of trying to start an argument, and we can discuss it, I have no intentions to deal with your petty jabs.

Yeah, those were all valid points. Nobody has the right to tell anyone they don't deserve to play this game.

[Jdrew]

I don't think you deserve to be part of the community anymore

[Spring]

It's not anyone's job to tell others how they should be having fun (with obvious exceptions of course). If someone likes a certain gamemode or map, good for them. Just because I don't like the same things they do doesn't mean that said person is a drain on the community and doesn't deserve to be there. Our community is already divided as it is; telling others that they don't deserve to play the game merely because of something like their map preference or gamemode preference is downright absurd and will only hurt us. Telling someone they don't deserve to play is a pretty awful thing to say, because in essence it's telling them, "Hey, you're not allowed to have fun", and while I don't think anyone in the right mind would agree with such a sentiment, that's the sentiment that multiple people have been expressing.

Additionally, people keep claiming all these hypothetical situations and making statements that they have no possible way of backing up (these servers are scaring away people who would be helpful to the community). Not only do they have no way of knowing that, but I'd argue that if someone is petty and childish enough to not want to help the community because they don't like the amount of servers running a certain map or a certain gamemode, then they're not very helpful to the community at all no matter what, as all they're going to do is instigate conflict with others. I certainly wouldn't want someone like that here.

If a person doesn't like a specific server or map, they won't play it. But it's a completely disproportionate reaction to say that the servers need to go and those who inhabit them are a drain or a plague on the community.

[Arkger]

Yeah, I hate to agree with jdrew here, but really? "If you run and gun in PS2, you don't deserve to play the game." Who are you to tell people they don't deserve to play a game? You're stuck in your own subjective views and refusing to see outside of them. There is no such thing as the "right way" to play a game, especially one that's designed to be as open as this one is.

As for the whole idea of growing, I'd say that a large amount of people have already heard of AoS and possibly tried it out, this game used to be pretty big on 4chan and reddit a while back. There's nothing wrong with accepting a smaller community, and it's not the fault of any group or gamemode. Some people just got bored. Hell, I haven't played in a few months now, it just got old for me.

Show me some proof that there's some mass exodus of players going on, as well as proof that it's directly correlated to an increase in "bad" (opinionated) players, and then we'll talk.

Starting with Jdrew--
You tell me I have no right to tell people what to do and what not to do, and then you tell me to leave to community. Nice logic.

Now to Reuben.

"Who Are You To Tell People they don't deserve to play a game?" See what I said to jdrew.
"You're stuck in your own subjective views and refusing to see outside of them" Says who? Please some evidence, because I'm pretty sure I can use quotes from our last argument to prove you wrong, plus the fact you have beat that wrong horse over and over.
There are right ways to play games, try to play Forza by racing the wrong way, or not helping your team in L4d2. There are ways to play games. I said nothing about having a smaller community, I just want AoS to find a direction so they can find people who can help it, not scare them away because it seems like a "MineCraft COD", and to see proof of it being a certain gamemode's fault, every every damn thread, there is hate towards arena, or read the OP of this thread. As for people getting bored, have you wondered why? Why Aren't people bored of MineCraft? Why aren't people bored of BF2/BC2? Because it has a unique sense to it, like AoS is losing atm. I said nothing of a mass exodus, just that we need the good maps back, and uniquely played gamemodes back as well. Check Counter-Strike Arena maps if you want proof of the bad players, also the players who votekick everyone who kills them, Aimbotters, and every last cancerous bastard who says that the Rifle is OP. (Someone complained to me about it on Babel, I laughed my head off).

@Spring I said nothing of the gamemodes, I am talking about the PEOPLE it brings, the PEOPLE it pushes away, and about not playing certain gamemodes, what I am talking about is 80% of the servers atm, and anyone who doesn't like them will stay away, when in reality they don't represent what AoS ideally stand for. I am just saying that there needs to be a decrease in gimmick maps, not really arena because they only have one server now, and more of what makes AoS unique.

[Jdrew]

do you even know what sarcasm is?

[ReubenMcHawk]

You tell me I have no right to tell people what to do and what not to do, and then you tell me to leave to community. Nice logic.

I think that's the point he was going for. Nobody has any right to tell someone how they should or shouldn't have fun.

"You're stuck in your own subjective views and refusing to see outside of them" Says who? Please some evidence, because I'm pretty sure I can use quotes from our last argument to prove you wrong, plus the fact you have beat that wrong horse over and over.

The fact that you keep trying to hammer in that the game is dying because of these people playing wrongly (read: different from how you prefer) without at all backing it up. You're acting like this is all objective fact and that we're all stupid for not recognizing it, which is the worst way to try and win people over.

There are right ways to play games, try to play Forza by racing the wrong way, or not helping your team in L4d2.

Yes, that is playing incorrectly. Those are different games with different mechanics, and not as open-ended as AoS is.

I just want AoS to find a direction so they can find people who can help it, not scare them away because it seems like a "MineCraft COD", and to see proof of it being a certain gamemode's fault, every every damn thread, there is hate towards arena, or read the OP of this thread.

That's the great thing about this game, it doesn't need one direction. It has several directions with potential for more, so it'll fit more people's needs and desires.

As for people getting bored, have you wondered why? Why Aren't people bored of MineCraft? Why aren't people bored of BF2/BC2? Because it has a unique sense to it, like AoS is losing atm.

Can't really speak on Battlefield, but MC is another game entirely. It's got much more to it in terms of mods and expansions and multiplayer experience. If Minecraft was just vanilla Minecraft, then it would have died long ago.

I said nothing of a mass exodus, just that we need the good maps back, and uniquely played gamemodes back as well. Check Counter-Strike Arena maps if you want proof of the bad players, also the players who votekick everyone who kills them, Aimbotters, and every last cancerous bastard who says that the Rifle is OP. (Someone complained to me about it on Babel, I laughed my head off).

Well of course, this community is full of idiots, nobody's gonna argue that. But they've been around since long before Arena's time, it's the appeal of a free game with low system requirements, any idiot can play if they want to.

[Arkger]

do you even know what sarcasm is?

You do realize you are on the internet right? Typing? Sarcasm can be only heard, unless you say something stupid.


You are prettty smart there Jdrew, I have to admit! :D
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You probably couldn't read the sarcasm till you looked down here.

@Reuben Uno Momento

[Jdrew]

/votekick Arkger being dumb

[Arkger]

I think that's the point he was going for. Nobody has any right to tell someone how they should or shouldn't have fun.

He did an awful job of saying it, and I don't think that's what he meant (he is trying to cover his ass)

The fact that you keep trying to hammer in that the game is dying because of these people playing wrongly (read: different from how you prefer) without at all backing it up. You're acting like this is all objective fact and that we're all stupid for not recognizing it, which is the worst way to try and win people over.

I didn't say anything about it dying. Again, I said that people aren't playing it in the way it has been played until recently. Instead, they are making it into a AoS 1.0 Lite/Minecraft COD/Block CS etc.etc.
My backup is the server list. The only unique gamemode I think is Babel atm, Hallway and whatnot are gimmick maps that are unoriginal, and stifle the potential of what AoS really is. This "You're acting like this is all objective fact and that we're all stupid for not recognizing it, which is the worst way to try and win people over." Isn't really a point at all, just seems like you are trying to make me say something that I'm not, and the whole stupid for not recognizing thing is just pure speculation on your part. I value you and most of the community's opinions (except idiots), so I don't know where that came from.

Can't really speak on Battlefield, but MC is another game entirely. It's got much more to it in terms of mods and expansions and multiplayer experience. If Minecraft was just vanilla Minecraft, then it would have died long ago.

The reason Bf2 is still alive is because there is nowhere to find a game like it today. Even though it is old, the unique gameplay is what's keeping it alive. Unique gameplay is what everything needs to suceed honestly, and AoS is losing it, with many games doing what the servers are doing, well, better.

Well of course, this community is full of idiots, nobody's gonna argue that. But they've been around since long before Arena's time, it's the appeal of a free game with low system requirements, any idiot can play if they want to.

Numbers have went up honestly. I never got votekicked like this 2 years ago. I never dealt with many rambos, everyone had a general idea of what they were in, a tactical shooter. These days #420BlazingShwegg is actually a thing, which is sad. You should log into some of the more talkative servers, you'll know what I'm talking about. Unless you actually see it for yourself, my words on this subject won't mean as much to you as they do to others who actually play.

(NOTE: At this present moment, I am very passive, and don't really want to argue, so keep the name calling to a minimum [not that you really have been doing any], and let's talk this out without any arguing and flaming like last time.)

/votekick Arkger being dumb

For the love of god stop talking.

[ReubenMcHawk]

I think that's the point he was going for. Nobody has any right to tell someone how they should or shouldn't have fun.

He did an awful job of saying it, and I don't think that's what he meant (he is trying to cover his ass)

Nah, jdrew is a massive idiot, but I can tell when he's seriously being dumb or just being facetious.

My backup is the server list. The only unique gamemode I think is Babel atm, Hallway and whatnot are gimmick maps that are unoriginal, and stifle the potential of what AoS really is. This "You're acting like this is all objective fact and that we're all stupid for not recognizing it, which is the worst way to try and win people over." Isn't really a point at all, just seems like you are trying to make me say something that I'm not, and the whole stupid for not recognizing thing is just pure speculation on your part. I value you and most of the community's opinions (except idiots), so I don't know where that came from.

Well yeah, that right there is an opinion, Hallway stifling the potential of the game. People have a choice in which game to join, and obviously Hallway is a popular choice, can't really argue with the majority opinion.

Numbers have went up honestly. I never got votekicked like this 2 years ago. I never dealt with many rambos, everyone had a general idea of what they were in, a tactical shooter. These days #420BlazingShwegg is actually a thing, which is sad. You should log into some of the more talkative servers, you'll know what I'm talking about. Unless you actually see it for yourself, my words on this subject won't mean as much to you as they do to others who actually play.

Judging from the bits of moron I run into on the forums and IRC, I'll take your word on that, lol.

(NOTE: At this present moment, I am very passive, and don't really want to argue, so keep the name calling to a minimum [not that you really have been doing any], and let's talk this out without any arguing and flaming like last time.)

same

[EldredChandler]

(NOTE: At this present moment, I am very passive, and don't really want to argue, so keep the name calling to a minimum [not that you really have been doing any], and let's talk this out without any arguing and flaming like last time.)

For the love of god stop talking.

o k

[danhezee]

Arkger, I might be wrong but you aren't bcoolface, so anything that you feel is the true vision of AoS is simply your opinion. It isnt fact. This is a sandbox game, people are going to play they way they want too, there is no correct way to play. People can enjoy the classic gameplay or the custom gamemodes. It is up to them. There is no right or wrong. It is personal taste. Your personal taste are obviously different than others. That doesnt mean the community is ruined.

[Arkger]

Nah, jdrew is a massive idiot, but I can tell when he's seriously being dumb or just being facetious.

I'll take your word on that as well.

Well yeah, that right there is an opinion, Hallway stifling the potential of the game. People have a choice in which game to join, and obviously Hallway is a popular choice, can't really argue with the majority opinion.

Well, Hallway doesn't do what AoS originally did, and is no way beneficial to a tactical shooter. So in a way, it's a bit more than an opinion, because you cannot say tactical work is at play in hallway. I think the best you can do that has to be tactical is dig through and get to their base and camp. But the part about the majority's opinion was what my original point was about.

Arkger, I might be wrong but you aren't bcoolface, so anything that you feel is the true vision of AoS is simply your opinion. It isnt fact. This is a sandbox game, people are going to play they way they want too, there is no correct way to play. People can enjoy the classic gameplay or the custom gamemodes. It is up to them. There is no right or wrong. It is personal taste. Your personal taste are obviously different than others. That doesnt mean the community is ruined.

Well, what I mean about the true vision of AoS is what was in the more early stages of development, being a slow, teamwork-oriented, tactical shooter. I understand that this is a sandbox game, and people will play what they want, but the amount of gimmick maps and arena that are full, contrary to the Tactical shooting, sadly doesn't misinterpret the general community.

I didn't say the community will be ruined, but I did say that we are pushing people away. People who want a change of pace. People who actually want to play a game like what AoS's early days are. A slow, Unified game about the battle of blue and green. A game people are there because they want to be, not because it has low requirements. People who will be there even after they upgrade their comp, people like you and me. THe reason why I point this out is because WE, the people on the forums, are only a handful of voices in a big crowd of server players. To anyone joining AoS beta for the first time, they will think the community has an IQ lower than the average temperatures of the North Pole. We are all pretty smart, yes, but we don't show for the whole community... in game does. The "OMG HAX, NOOBS", being kicked every time you get a nice shot, and the mediocre, non-special gameplay is enough to keep the kind of people we actually want away: the people who want the best for the game, not the kind of people who will abandon it for the type of game they want to play in a couple months. Everyone on arena 10/10 will quit AoS if they could actually play COunter-Strike. You and I however, could probably get the best computer ever, and still check these forums, because we actually care, they don't.

I just want more of the people who would like the game for it's unique gameplay, and would stick around, instead of people who are here just because it's free, they have nothing better to do, and don't care about it.