We have become what we hated the most

[ReubenMcHawk]

How are you plagued by arena, or hallway or pinpoint or stadium for that matter? In what way shape or form is a map or game mode 'problematic' if people willingly play there? They enjoy it, and if you don't then just...don't join?

I fucking hate hallway with total and absolute unbridled fury - but if people enjoy playing there, who are we to have any say in stopping them? If you want whatever ideal fantasy of the old days on gen maps back then I respect that, because you're certainly not alone, I used to argue the same point. Then I realised that we can't stop people from playing what they want to play, nor should we try. If you want to see a change or bring something about, bring it about yourself. Don't whine about it.

^

Seriously, I've been laughing over the past few weeks at these people that are so selfish that they demand gamemodes they don't like be banned and removed from the server list. Also nobody on here has the ability to speak for the community, no matter how long they've been around, especially when they're demanding a popular gamemode be removed.

The point of the players it attracts is a logical one, but still flawed. If I tried playing CTF like I do Arena, then I'd fail pretty quickly. The issue I've noticed is people playing it like TDM, but I don't think people should be removed from the community just for thinking differently than me.

[Arkger]

How are you plagued by arena, or hallway or pinpoint or stadium for that matter? In what way shape or form is a map or game mode 'problematic' if people willingly play there? They enjoy it, and if you don't then just...don't join?

I fucking hate hallway with total and absolute unbridled fury - but if people enjoy playing there, who are we to have any say in stopping them? If you want whatever ideal fantasy of the old days on gen maps back then I respect that, because you're certainly not alone, I used to argue the same point. Then I realised that we can't stop people from playing what they want to play, nor should we try. If you want to see a change or bring something about, bring it about yourself. Don't whine about it.

^

Seriously, I've been laughing over the past few weeks at these people that are so selfish that they demand gamemodes they don't like be banned and removed from the server list. Also nobody on here has the ability to speak for the community, no matter how long they've been around, especially when they're demanding a popular gamemode be removed.

The point of the players it attracts is a logical one, but still flawed. If I tried playing CTF like I do Arena, then I'd fail pretty quickly. The issue I've noticed is people playing it like TDM, but I don't think people should be removed from the community just for thinking differently than me.

TBH, the reason I started to hate them is the fact that they are too mainstream, and like I mentioned, they push potential players away, because when you look at BnS without looking into the forums, this is what it seems the game is truly meant for... I had to come into the forums on Nov 2 to see what was really going on, because as a longtime player (I wouldn't call myself a vet I played on and off alot), I wanted to see wtf was going on. We can't deny anyone anything, my solution is that they put better quality maps, and don't get rid of them at all, but maybe make one 24/7 server for each or something, because I can come on and there are about 4-5 maps hosting hallway... if there was only 1, and one hosting arena )the number of arena servers went down drastically, thank god), then there would be nothing to complain about. But if it's what the community wants to play...

[Arkger]

Really did we need another thread where you complain about the same things in the other thread titled "We have became what we hated most"

merging the threads

And apologies dan, I just thought this one had too many things going on at once to actually talk about it. Like anything I say, I wanted input on whether people thought it was flawed logic, or inform me of something I didn't think about. I'll think twice before posting a new thread.

[Jdrew]

If it attracts players then why would you want to stop it? We need more players! look at the server list, out of the 80 or so servers only around 15 of them have a playable number of players. If arena changes that then I don't see a reason to stop it or even hate on it. Although I do not personally like arena it is a nice change of pace.

[Arkger]

If it attracts players then why would you want to stop it? We need more players! look at the server list, out of the 80 or so servers only around 15 of them have a playable number of players. If arena changes that then I don't see a reason to stop it or even hate on it. Although I do not personally like arena it is a nice change of pace.

Can you not read? It attracts the wrong crowd, and not even a lot of them. It also pushes away people who would be beneficial to BnS as well.

[Vezok]

If it attracts players then why would you want to stop it? We need more players! look at the server list, out of the 80 or so servers only around 15 of them have a playable number of players. If arena changes that then I don't see a reason to stop it or even hate on it. Although I do not personally like arena it is a nice change of pace.

We want actual people, not BR's that want a free alternative to CoD.

[ReubenMcHawk]

Again, phrases like "the wrong crowd" are highly subjective and opinionated. All I've seen is slippery-slope arguments based on circumstances that have been true since long before Arena was a thing.

[Jdrew]

If it attracts players then why would you want to stop it? We need more players! look at the server list, out of the 80 or so servers only around 15 of them have a playable number of players. If arena changes that then I don't see a reason to stop it or even hate on it. Although I do not personally like arena it is a nice change of pace.

Can you not read? It attracts the wrong crowd, and not even a lot of them. It also pushes away people who would be beneficial to BnS as well.

For whom the bell tolls a poem(No man is an island) by John Donne:
No man is an island,
Entire of itself.
Each is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thine own
Or of thine friend's were.
Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.

In other words every life(player) is precious no matter how good or how bad they may be. I would rather be on a server with a BR hacker then an empty server with no one but myself. The poem also states that no man is entire of himself, meaning that no one person makes up something but rather a group of people, so yes we might get a few bad players here and there but that is every game. Learn to be more positive please. You keep looking at the smaller picture even though there is a much bigger and brighter picture right behind it waiting to be revealed. Negativity only leads to more hatred and death(of the game).

[Vezok]

Jdrew, you should go kill yourself for completely misinterpreting For Whom the Bell Tolls and using it in a Red Herring fallacy and just for being stupid in general. Don't ever make classic poetry look bad. Ever.

[IceCream]

yo calm down

[Jdrew]

the read interprets the poem in his own way, it does not have a clear meaning

[Arkger]

If it attracts players then why would you want to stop it? We need more players! look at the server list, out of the 80 or so servers only around 15 of them have a playable number of players. If arena changes that then I don't see a reason to stop it or even hate on it. Although I do not personally like arena it is a nice change of pace.

Can you not read? It attracts the wrong crowd, and not even a lot of them. It also pushes away people who would be beneficial to BnS as well.

For whom the bell tolls a poem(No man is an island) by John Donne:
No man is an island,
Entire of itself.
Each is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thine own
Or of thine friend's were.
Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.

In other words every life(player) is precious no matter how good or how bad they may be. I would rather be on a server with a BR hacker then an empty server with no one but myself. The poem also states that no man is entire of himself, meaning that no one person makes up something but rather a group of people, so yes we might get a few bad players here and there but that is every game. Learn to be more positive please. You keep looking at the smaller picture even though there is a much bigger and brighter picture right behind it waiting to be revealed. Negativity only leads to more hatred and death(of the game).

You're kidding. You would rather play with hackers than no one? You're an idiot.
And you are NOT picking up what I am throwing down. We are losing potential people who make sense and would love the game, not cancerous society members. TO put this into context, imagine nothing but run and gunnners in planetside 2. THey are a good crowd, but they DO NOT belong there, but then SOE accomdates them by making all the continents smaller, and allowig you to run faster, and making sure that all weapons have no recoil. Would you be mad? Why? ALl they want is to play the game right? You would leave correct? Everyone who wanted anything like PS2 had to offer wouldn't look at it right? Because they could pla a game dedicated to running and gunning, or a game dedicated to large scale warfare, correct? This is what I'm getting at.

[Jdrew]

If the game is about large scale warfare you would need to run fast to balance things out and the game has guns because it is a shooter so you run then gun. If you want to play by yourself that is fine though.

[Arkger]

If the game is about large scale warfare you would need to run fast to balance things out and the game has guns because it is a shooter so you run then gun. If you want to play by yourself that is fine though.

If you run and gun in PS2, you don't deserve to play the game. You are just being idiotic at this point. and I mean run COD fast. Like, cranked fast. And yes, I would rather play another game than a game plagued by hackers, and I'm tired of you acting like AoS is the only choice. Someone who isn't a part of the community won't waste time trying to enjoy it. They would just move on.

[Jdrew]

Who are you to tell me what games I can nad can not play? I have never played cod multilayer but the campaigns are ok, at least MW 1 & 2 were. What do you mean "acting like AoS is the only choice"? And why do you think someone not in the community wouldn't play AoS? Ace of Spades has always been a free game and lots of people like the gameplay even now when there are hackers. You are making broad statements, sorry for being a hypocrite here guys, without having any evidence to back up your clams! Which further more makes all over your statements and arguments meaningless with no data to back them up. You are also still talking for people you have never met or seen.