We have become what we hated the most

The original, free Ace of Spades game powered by the Voxlap engine. Known as “Classic,” 0.75, 0.76, and all 0.x versions. Created by Ben Aksoy.
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ReubenMcHawk
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TheGreatestDest wrote:
>No, because it's meaningless. There's absolutely zero reason why people should be upset about the existence of a gamemode they don't have to play.

The community of such a game shouldn't have to be plagued by it either...
Also, it isn't just that BS that's ruining the game: it's also the shit maps like Hallway/Pinpoint and Stadium, which you CAN'T deny are a problematic size.
There's so many servers because people play it and like it. It's all supply and demand. Say you go to the bookstore, and you see they have like fifty copies of the new Stephen King book, and maybe two copies of a smaller-named author's new book. It's because a lot more people enjoy King's books, so there's a larger supply to meet the demand.

If you want to be mad, then be mad at the players, though it's pretty tacky to get pissed at someone for playing a game they like and you don't.
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This game is awesome because you can mod it and make new gamemodes.

If you don't like it there are so many other servers that are full and not arena. I hate arena too but I just join a different with my favorite game mode, CTF.
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Battlefire wrote:
This game is awesome because you can mod it and make new gamemodes.

If you don't like it there are so many other servers that are full and not arena. I hate arena too but I just join a different with my favorite game mode, CTF.
Hallway and pinpoint don't count.
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Battlefire wrote:
This game is awesome because you can mod it and make new gamemodes.

If you don't like it there are so many other servers that are full and not arena. I hate arena too but I just join a different with my favorite game mode, CTF.
Again, people don't really have problems with Arena itself, it's the set of people and ideals it brings to AoS that people don't like: Running and Gunning, Fast Paced action, and no building, just killing. Hallway etc. also go for fast paced action, and spawn camping, and 9/10 they aren't running the objective.
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Arkger wrote:
Battlefire wrote:
This game is awesome because you can mod it and make new gamemodes.

If you don't like it there are so many other servers that are full and not arena. I hate arena too but I just join a different with my favorite game mode, CTF.
Again, people don't really have problems with Arena itself, it's the set of people and ideals it brings to AoS that people don't like: Running and Gunning, Fast Paced action, and no building, just killing. Hallway etc. also push for fast paced action, and spawn camping, and 9/10 they aren't running the objective.
I didn't have any problems with push. Every time I play push my teammates go for the objective.
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Battlefire wrote:
Arkger wrote:
Battlefire wrote:
This game is awesome because you can mod it and make new gamemodes.

If you don't like it there are so many other servers that are full and not arena. I hate arena too but I just join a different with my favorite game mode, CTF.
Again, people don't really have problems with Arena itself, it's the set of people and ideals it brings to AoS that people don't like: Running and Gunning, Fast Paced action, and no building, just killing. Hallway etc. also push for fast paced action, and spawn camping, and 9/10 they aren't running the objective.
I didn't have any problems with push. Every time I play push my teammates go for the objective.
Sorry, I didn't write it correctly. I meant in hallway and other gimmicky maps, they push for fast paced action, spawn camping, and aren't running the objective.
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Lately, I've seen alot of comments defending arena, but I really don't think they know WHY certain people (like me recently) don't like arena. It has nothing to do with Arena itself, I'll break it down right here.

Firstly, It's the type of people it's attracting. All the game is attracting atm when you play maps like that are people who are the polar opposites of what people believe the early days of AoS are. Veterans should believe in teamwork, tactical gameplay, and putting the team before themselves. Newcomers believe in killstreaks, fast paced gameplay, camping, and making sure they have the highest killstreaks possible. Not that those are bad things, they just don't belong and what was originally envisioned for AoS. And for arena, it removes to huge huge huge huge huge aspects of the game: Building, and breaking. What is the point of playing this gamemode on AoS when you could go play it on any other game? Usually they don't have enough money (kids), Or simply don't know about games like it (ACR).

Secondly, it taints AoS (in a way). The demand for gimmicky maps and Arena have gotten so high that many servers that are like the originals are empty, which pushes the people who wanted to play those gamemodes away, because in order to play a good match of Classicgen, you most likely need 20+ people, while in order to play some good pinpoint, 3v3s are very viable. The need for less people in a funny way allow for those servers to fill up quickly, as they will have more fun quicker, and leave the CTF and TC servers empty, which in turn push away people who actually can play COD or CS, because what's the point of playing this if they have a better version? By turning AoS into Arena Shooter #276378289, people who want a change of pace will stay away from it; the type of people we actually want here. I've had friends quit the game because they find something better, when in reality you can't find anything like what AoS is supposed to be, but there are plenty of versions of Arena Shooting, and fast paced shooters. Even I have stopped playing AoS like I used to years ago, because why play this when I currently own BF4, CS, and BlackLight Retribution? They do what majority of AoS servers are doing much much much better.

Thirdly, It pushes AoS away from what it was envisioned to be. I think all of us know that AoS is supposed to be slow, tactical, and teamwork oriented. Now people can legitimately call it "MineCraft Call Of Duty", Which is one of the worst insults ever. I just hope that we can move to a point where it can make a name for itself, instead of being Arena Shooter #276378289.


Sincerely,
Arky.
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What is the point of this? I also don't understand how you speak for "veterans" ever though you have joined only a few months ago. Most people dislike arena because it is the complete opposite of CTF, there is no need to go into such detail.
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jdrew wrote:
What is the point of this? I also don't understand how you speak for "veterans" ever though you have joined only a few months ago. Most people dislike arena because it is the complete opposite of CTF, there is no need to go into such detail.
Like I have said plenty of times, I have been here for a couple years, just played on and off. And the point is to elaborate onto why people hate arena and gimmicky maps. YOU may dislike arena because it is the complete opposite of CTF, but there are more reasons why people hate arena, and going into such detail was very much needed.
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why was it needed? What is the purpose of making such a thread if people already know why they hate arena and why others hate arena?
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jdrew wrote:
why was it needed? What is the purpose of making such a thread if people already know why they hate arena and why others hate arena?
To make it clear.

@KoraKoff
I'm explaining something here lol, If you meant me. but if you meant the group of players I was talking about, then yeah, I wish so too.
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TheGreatestDest wrote:

The community of such a game shouldn't have to be plagued by it either...
Also, it isn't just that BS that's ruining the game: it's also the shit maps like Hallway/Pinpoint and Stadium, which you CAN'T deny are a problematic size.
How are you plagued by arena, or hallway or pinpoint or stadium for that matter? In what way shape or form is a map or game mode 'problematic' if people willingly play there? They enjoy it, and if you don't then just...don't join?

I fucking hate hallway with total and absolute unbridled fury - but if people enjoy playing there, who are we to have any say in stopping them? If you want whatever ideal fantasy of the old days on gen maps back then I respect that, because you're certainly not alone, I used to argue the same point. Then I realised that we can't stop people from playing what they want to play, nor should we try. If you want to see a change or bring something about, bring it about yourself. Don't whine about it.
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Really did we need another thread where you complain about the same things in the other thread titled "We have became what we hated most"

merging the threads
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I first off would like to say that I dislike Arena, but this game is free and people can do what they want. I blame Jagex for all of this. That being said, I will now proceed to do my favorite thing on these forums.
jdrew wrote:
What is the point of this? I also don't understand how you speak for "veterans" ever though you have joined only a few months ago. Most people dislike arena because it is the complete opposite of CTF, there is no need to go into such detail.
Arkger is definitely a veteran, I remember him back when I played under aliases, whereas you are not. Quit acting like you are. You are not.
Also, details are extremely necessary in order to effectively defend your point. While I don't agree with him (or his creation of a new thread), he presented it well and in a manner which I respect him for.
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