[poll] clan sub-sections

[Willy]

I know for a fact that Tin is all for clan subsections, and though I can't speak for him I don't think Spring would be totally against the idea either. In addition, there are quite a few people I know of (myself obviously included) who'd be willing to help out to ensure the subsections run smoothly if they become a reality.

On the old forum we had a group of 'staff' called the Clan Council who helped to run the subsections, and decide which clans received one through use of a concrete and slightly rigorous criteria to ensure that the subsections would remain consistently used and not simply serve to take up space on the forum. While the old clan subsections were - in some respects - a total clusterfuck and a pain in the ass to administrate, it must be considered that Clans are naturally going to attract a large portion of the drama associated with any gaming community.

Subsections implemented should encourage self-moderation wherever possible so as to reduce the workload of all staff associated with the section. Prospective applicants for subsections should be made aware of the criteria required to receive a subsection and then PM their application with evidence that all required criteria has been met so that their application has the highest chance of success. To be honest, I personally don't like the idea of criteria to give subsection clans some notion of exclusivity, but I also realise that it is likely the best way to keep subsections neat, organised and avoid spam.

One thing that didn't work so well on the last forum was the fact that clan leaders that had subsections were given some limited moderation powers, and while the intention was that these powers should be limited to their own forum, the forum allowed them to see and do things that ideally they shouldn't have been able to. For this reason I (personally) think that Clan section staff should help moderate the sections where required through use of an IRC channel (I think tin has one set up) or forum PM for questions, reports or requests, instead of giving moderation power to clan leaders. However, like I mentioned before, clan leaders should always be encouraged to self moderate and attempt to solve their own issues wherever possible.

I have a few more ideas but I can't really remember them, what do you guys think?

[Teeth]

I still remember when they had to disable all announcements because one of the clan leader/moderator of a sub created an announcement and set it to global instead of within the sub-section. So yeah, that could happen again. Like Will said, users might be able to have privelages they shouldn't have

[Somnium]

Yeah I agree with willy. But on the other hand to get this setup will take time. If we are serious about this there needs to be a group to sit down. and discuss this. And then that group produce all the evidence, proof that a majority of the Clans want this, as well as all the work laid out that way it'll give the admins more insensitive to okay this. I'm sort of on the side that the admins will most likely be spending their time doing this. But if a said group where to lay down the ground work and an admin simply goin in and do all the work with a say blue print in hand it'll be easier.

I wasn't around at the time of the old forums. But from what Willy has said. It was a pain. There's going to be mistakes, as well as spam. You can't really avoid that. There has been admins added to the clan recruitment page but will that be enough to handle both the clan recruitment page as well as the clan sub forum page. I know that there are plenty of willing members out there willing to admin. But as dan has said. Admin positions aren't just handed out.

Imo. The next time you go to an admin with this you should have, a plan set up

Who will admin

who the look will be

what rights are given to subsequent clan leaders

how you will get a sub clan page

What you need to receive your own sub page.

What the rules will be

What the punishment for dis obeying the agreed rules.

what should the age of a clan be before it can

receive a page

etc. it will most likely go over more smoothly if the plan is setup. you put forth the effort to organize and collect all the information and hand it to the admins. Instead of expecting them to do it. I know that it's their job to do this stuff. But help never hurt.

Excuse my slaughter of the English language, grammar.

[Dare]

My opinion is, if I describe how is it in Ohh clan, we don't need any subsections. The posts which can be found in our thread would give up to 6-7 clan sub-sections, then we wouldn't have any overall view of what is happening in our clan...

The ideas Will said may be useful for some clans but not for our clan, because it would lead us more likely to disorganization of our clan thread.

[Willy]

Subsections for clans would not be, should not be, never have been and almost certainly never will be mandatory. If you don't want one for whatever reason - stick with your thread :)

[Handles]

All that is said above is certainly true, personally I believe these clan subsections are a great idea, as long as they are administered properly. Without proper administration, clans like this http://buildandshoot.com/viewtopic.php? ... 757#p84757 could run a muck. But with proper moderators like tin who closed that clan quickly and effectively, and with a Clan Council to restrict the spam and only give out sub-sections to worthy clans, it, should, run smoothly.

[Jdrew]

I don't think the requirements should be too high though as it took SPQR forever to get a sub section section, I think ti was three months after their first try.

[scrawl]

All that is said above is certainly true, personally I believe these clan subsections are a great idea, as long as they are administered properly. Without proper administration, clans like this http://buildandshoot.com/viewtopic.php? ... 757#p84757 could run a muck. But with proper moderators like tin who closed that clan quickly and effectively, and with a Clan Council to restrict the spam and only give out sub-sections to worthy clans, it, should, run smoothly.

^ This

[Zekamalikyd]

+1 strike

[Teeth]

I don't think the requirements should be too high though as it took SPQR forever to get a sub section section, I think ti was three months after their first try.

SPQR joined the clan community when there were already a decent amount of clan sub-sections. Apparently it got harder for newer clans to get a sub section as a result of an increase quality of clans and more clan pre-requisites for a sub-sec altogether. When I led {RS}, we were a relatively early clan and IMO it was pretty easy to get a sub-section. It was harder for newer clans because they came during the AoS Clan "boom" as some might call it and the clan council had to make essential pre-cautions.

[Semper]

At least have a tab on the website that has something based for clans only. Like clan news for matches and for the league and stuff. Clan stats could be cool too.

[aidybee]

to my unfortunate morals (and great disapproval when concerning jdrew) im afraid jdrew makes a good point about this WE need a clan sub section