How to restructure this area of the site?

[danhezee]

I would like to revamp this section of the site, add new sections and what not.

Mainly I want this part of the site to be the centralized league and clan area.

Any thoughts on what you would like to see?

It is very open ended question.

[[AAT]Greninja]

Have sections for recruitment, sections for people who want to join a clan but not sure which to choose, etc. So the one main clan recruitment section is not filled up with random crap.

[Willy]

Subsections offered to or available upon application to larger clans. I know it's a total pain in the ass to implement but it can be great if done properly. I'm on phone so can't copy and paste but refer to my large post on the clan subsection thread in Site feedback for ideas :)

[tin]

I posted my ideas many times before so I will try to gather only few of my relatively old suggestions:

Apr 10, 2013

The problem about clubs is that communication between clans has been reduced to minimum. Of course, if we would have sub-sections, it would require more administration and clan experienced people would have to take a job of Clan Council or something similar to it. People that would take that role should be highly motivated and objective about their job. I think that sub-sections worked relatively fine on ace-spades.com and they should be implemented into B&S.

Jun 09, 2013

Currently, buildandshoot only has a thread based clan system. If you look at the old forums, some clans also had their sub-sections. I know what you will think now, it doesn't matter whether there are sub-sections or not. If you think, you are very wrong. Sub-sections were something that clans wanted to achieve, sub-sections were their goal, their motivation to move on, they were a very important factor in clan subsistence. Creation of 1 sub-sections take around 15 minutes to set-up usergroup, create sub-forum, add certain permissions to that sub-forum and add ranks for the usergroup. As clans are very important, I think that it is a sacrifice that buildandshoot staff should make. Sub-section moderators cannot really mess something up, good example are old forums. There weren't really any bigger incidents. What this would require is a little bit more moderation and a system which would determine whether clan deserves a sub-section or not and that is a matter that I would like to discuss with you. There are many good options from top of my head, but the most important thing is to gather a team of clan experienced people who can make objective resolutions. Substantiation of this wouldn't take much time, only thing you would need is a motivation an I am pretty sure that it shouldn't be a problem.

I actually wouldn't really like to separate league teams and clans as most of the league teams are clans. There are only few of them that aren't a clan. Therefore, organizing matches can be done through sub-sections. If you look at it, all bigger clans stay away from buildandshoot as their needs can not be satisfied with only one thread. Maybe this way you could motivate bigger clans to come back here and serve as an example to the smaller clans.

[Jdrew]

clan subsections: http://www.buildandshoot.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9391

we currently have 26 votes in with 76% of them being yes, thats 19 people saying yes and 7 saying no. If not sub sections then something else that makes clans work towards getting.

[Stryker]

I posted my ideas many times before so I will try to gather only few of my relatively old suggestions:

Apr 10, 2013

The problem about clubs is that communication between clans has been reduced to minimum. Of course, if we would have sub-sections, it would require more administration and clan experienced people would have to take a job of Clan Council or something similar to it. People that would take that role should be highly motivated and objective about their job. I think that sub-sections worked relatively fine on ace-spades.com and they should be implemented into B&S.

Jun 09, 2013

Currently, buildandshoot only has a thread based clan system. If you look at the old forums, some clans also had their sub-sections. I know what you will think now, it doesn't matter whether there are sub-sections or not. If you think, you are very wrong. Sub-sections were something that clans wanted to achieve, sub-sections were their goal, their motivation to move on, they were a very important factor in clan subsistence. Creation of 1 sub-sections take around 15 minutes to set-up usergroup, create sub-forum, add certain permissions to that sub-forum and add ranks for the usergroup. As clans are very important, I think that it is a sacrifice that buildandshoot staff should make. Sub-section moderators cannot really mess something up, good example are old forums. There weren't really any bigger incidents. What this would require is a little bit more moderation and a system which would determine whether clan deserves a sub-section or not and that is a matter that I would like to discuss with you. There are many good options from top of my head, but the most important thing is to gather a team of clan experienced people who can make objective resolutions. Substantiation of this wouldn't take much time, only thing you would need is a motivation an I am pretty sure that it shouldn't be a problem.

I actually wouldn't really like to separate league teams and clans as most of the league teams are clans. There are only few of them that aren't a clan. Therefore, organizing matches can be done through sub-sections. If you look at it, all bigger clans stay away from buildandshoot as their needs can not be satisfied with only one thread. Maybe this way you could motivate bigger clans to come back here and serve as an example to the smaller clans.

Good Idea...

[scrawl]

I think sub-sections would be a good idea.

And I agree with what tin said.

[Ballistic]

I think sub-sections would be a good idea.

And I agree with what tin said.

me too

[EldredChandler]

If you look at it, all bigger clans stay away from buildandshoot as their needs can not be satisfied with only one thread. Maybe this way you could motivate bigger clans to come back here and serve as an example to the smaller clans.

That's not inherently a bad thing. I'm sure some clans like having their own forums where they're not bound by the rules here, and can have a site looking just the way they want.

[tin]

If you look at it, all bigger clans stay away from buildandshoot as their needs can not be satisfied with only one thread. Maybe this way you could motivate bigger clans to come back here and serve as an example to the smaller clans.

That's not inherently a bad thing. I'm sure some clans like having their own forums where they're not bound by the rules here, and can have a site looking just the way they want.

It's one of their advantages, but there are disadvantages too. For example, it is harder to reach new people and it's harder for new people to find about that clan. It's bad for buildandshoot as having a big clan here would increase activity of the forums and maybe it would motivate smallers clan to try to advance and become bigger. But after all, there is no right and wrong, you just have to evaluate advantages and disadvantages and do whatever you find to be better for your clan.

[aidybee]

If you look at it, all bigger clans stay away from buildandshoot as their needs can not be satisfied with only one thread. Maybe this way you could motivate bigger clans to come back here and serve as an example to the smaller clans.

That's not inherently a bad thing. I'm sure some clans like having their own forums where they're not bound by the rules here, and can have a site looking just the way they want.

It's one of their advantages, but there are disadvantages too. For example, it is harder to reach new people and it's harder for new people to find about that clan. It's bad for buildandshoot as having a big clan here would increase activity of the forums and maybe it would motivate smallers clan to try to advance and become bigger. But after all, there is no right and wrong, you just have to evaluate advantages and disadvantages and do whatever you find to be better for your clan.

Maby have a direct FLASHING link to clan recruitment from the homepage and fourm home page

[danhezee]

In the super top secret moderator channel we have been talking about this a lot. We haven't entirely figured out what we are going to do. But we have clans, we have user-organized events, and we have the leagues. User-organized events dont have a home and they need one badly. Same for the leagues. Clan specific sub sections are a goal and I have outline of how I imagine the software working. We arent going to do manually, it doesnt scale well. IE, we had over 3000+ concurrent players for several hours of the day and we only had 10+ sub sections. That should have been much higher. Any way my outline for how to get a subsection is below.

Creating a sub section:
---create a petition -> petition in limbo -> get enough signatures -> manual spot check -> sub section created---

Pruning petition limbo
---petition in limbo -> not enough signatures in the allotted timeframe -> petition is pruned---

Signing a petition
---find your clan / team / group petition -> sign it -> you are automatically added to that group---

Sub sections include the following features:
---a public forum -|- a private forum---
---users can petition to join---
---group leaders can accept users---
---group leaders can promote others to group leader---
---group leaders have moderator privileges---

[Stryker]

In the super top secret moderator channel we have been talking about this a lot. We haven't entirely figured out what we are going to do. But we have clans, we have user-organized events, and we have the leagues. User-organized events dont have a home and they need one badly. Same for the leagues. Clan specific sub sections are a goal and I have outline of how I imagine the software working. We arent going to do manually, it doesnt scale well. IE, we had over 3000+ concurrent players for several hours of the day and we only had 10+ sub sections. That should have been much higher. Any way my outline for how to get a subsection is below.

Creating a sub section:
---create a petition -> petition in limbo -> get enough signatures -> manual spot check -> sub section created---

Pruning petition limbo
---petition in limbo -> not enough signatures in the allotted timeframe -> petition is pruned---

Signing a petition
---find your clan / team / group petition -> sign it -> you are automatically added to that group---

Sub sections include the following features:
---a public forum -|- a private forum---
---users can petition to join---
---group leaders can accept users---
---group leaders can promote others to group leader---
---group leaders have moderator privileges---

Nice... prevents other BnS users to spam the clan... HOT!

[Stryker]

Might be the time to use it now pls....

[danhezee]

I got this via pm from jackal

Hello danhezee. I am the leader of AoS Phoenix clan.

As you know clan matching is an important part of the Build&Shoot community, there is official Clans Recruitment thread on B&S forums but unfortunately, there is no official thread for clan matches.

As a clan leader, I have noticed clans having difficulty arranging matches and I think some kind of "central administration" could provide a solution to this problem. After some deliberation, we (me and Accu) have devised what we hope would be a functional system.

The point of our idea is to create a thread on B&S forums where clans will be free to arrange challenges between each other. The thread owners will document accepted challenges. To arrange a match, clan leader has to post topic in the thread and fill in the application:

• Participating clans:
• The amount of contestants:
• Map:
• Game mode:
• Server:
• Rules (for example, time limit or water damage)

Owners of the thread will be obliged to help participants in arranging of the clan matches as well as to declare and to approve the results of those matches.
We also suggest some additional rules:

1. If one clan is absent on the match by a declared time, it will be counted as a defeat of that clan;
2. If both clans refuse or just can't play on a declared time, the clan match will be put off or it will be counted as a draw;
3. If a contestant is spotted on cheating during the match, the results of that match will be considered as invalid.

We really hope that our suggestion will be considered as a necessity, as we hold exactly that point of view, due to the recent "fails" connected with the arranging of clan matches with different clans. If you are interested in this idea, we can discuss details later.

Thanks for your attention. Cheers!