Build and Shoot is getting unplayable...

[danhezee]

The new serverlist combined with the launcher will open servers faster.

For those asking how. There is an extra :0.75 or :0.76 attached to each url so the launcher doesnt have to do a lookup.

[WesleySnipers]

The topic is kinda of losing its point.

In my opinion, servers without moderators should be closed. Simple as that. People are using hacks and playing on the crowded servers, ruining the gameplay.
I was trying to play on #1 Skynet AoS, and a guy named Kilerrr was CLEARLY hacking. He had a ratio of 22(170 kills 8 deaths, or something like that). A lot of players tried to votekick him(including me), but it was always 9 votes far from getting him kicked. I don't know if there is a lack of interest from the players on a good gameplay, or if they already gave up on trying to make things better. It is ridiculous.

Oh, you are talking about votekick, you should stop playing or complaining. No, i shouldn't. He and the other hackers are wrong, not me. If people are always complaining about votekicks, maybe it is because something is really bad about the game. I think servers without moderators are almost always full because of the hackers. They play somewhere they can't be kicked, leaving the others with 2 options: play in a full server, but also full of hackers, or in an empty, but moderated, server. I already said it before, I love playing in Shams Little Pony because of the moderators(and also because it's fun). But now it's completely empty, and I'm having to enter that hacker-dominated ones to have some gameplay, where I get kicked by stupid reasons, but I can't sucessfully votekick a griefer or a hacker. I think removing the servers without moderators should help improve this situation.

[ReubenMcHawk]

The topic is kinda of losing its point.

In my opinion, servers without moderators should be closed. Simple as that. People are using hacks and playing on the crowded servers, ruining the gameplay.
I was trying to play on #1 Skynet AoS, and a guy named Kilerrr was CLEARLY hacking. He had a ratio of 22(170 kills 8 deaths, or something like that). A lot of players tried to votekick him(including me), but it was always 9 votes far from getting him kicked. I don't know if there is a lack of interest from the players on a good gameplay, or if they already gave up on trying to make things better. It is ridiculous.

Oh, you are talking about votekick, you should stop playing or complaining. No, i shouldn't. He and the other hackers are wrong, not me. If people are always complaining about votekicks, maybe it is because something is really bad about the game. I think servers without moderators are almost always full because of the hackers. They play somewhere they can't be kicked, leaving the others with 2 options: play in a full server, but also full of hackers, or in an empty, but moderated, server. I already said it before, I love playing in Shams Little Pony because of the moderators(and also because it's fun). But now it's completely empty, and I'm having to enter that hacker-dominated ones to have some gameplay, where I get kicked by stupid reasons, but I can't sucessfully votekick a griefer or a hacker. I think removing the servers without moderators should help improve this situation.

Uh, no. Nobody's forcing you to play those servers, and usually the highly-moderated ones are the ones I see topping the server list. Forcing the unmoderated ones to shut down is ridiculous.

[WesleySnipers]

Uh, no. Nobody's forcing you to play those servers, and usually the highly-moderated ones are the ones I see topping the server list. Forcing the unmoderated ones to shut down is ridiculous.

At least explain why you think it ridiculous, use arguments. Are they so "classic" that they can't get a moderator to keep existing? Or another reason. Saying "just no" is the same as "ok, the servers are full of hackers and doesn't have moderators to keep them out, but let's leave like. The reason? Why have reasons?".

Nobody forces me to play as nobody forces you to make a comment. When you do, at least explain your motives. I play AoS for a long time, and often, so I think I can see the problems rising to point it out. That doesn't mean my solutions are correct, but at least I'm trying to bring something better to this game. I'm not the only one to say this about the game, a lot of people agreed. "Oh, but shuting down unmoderated servers is ridiculous". So what is supposed to be done? If the answer is "just leave like that. It's a free game, nobody can complain about something, even if he(and a lot of other players) is right about it", then maybe this game deserves what is happening to it.

You see the highly moderated ones topping the list? Maybe you need to check it again. If THE top server, then it's probably ok. But the other server, the ones also full, or at least almost, are full of hackers and without proper moderation. There are also a lot of empty servers, some of them "highly-moderated" as you said. Without the unmoderated ones, the players would go to the good ones, increasing gameplay quality. Also, the unmoderated servers could get moderators, which would avoid their exclusion.

If I was disrespectful, I'm really sorry. But why it's so hard to start a real discussion about this problem? I never intended to create an account to post here, but the gameplay is getting ridiculous. It has almost an abandoned project feeling when you play a server where people does not get kicked for Hacking or Griefing, but they are for reasons like "SMG noob". When I posted here I was really hopeful about a solution. Now, I'm about to stop. It's not something big, because I know nobody here; but what I'm doing is something a lot of other good players(and I mean honest here) did when they noticed that BnS is getting crapier everyday. No one forced them to play the bad servers, so they left. I Just tried to improve something I thought it was worth. But it seems to be not. The good guys are gone, and the trash is piling up.

Actually, this message does not need to be answered, since I'm not coming back to check it anymore.

[ReubenMcHawk]

At least explain why you think it ridiculous, use arguments. Are they so "classic" that they can't get a moderator to keep existing? Or another reason. Saying "just no" is the same as "ok, the servers are full of hackers and doesn't have moderators to keep them out, but let's leave like. The reason? Why have reasons?".

Do I have to? It would be ridiculous to expect them to shut down other people's servers just because you don't like how they're ran. It would defeat the entire point of letting people run their own servers. If I have to explain that, then there really is no hope.

Nobody forces me to play as nobody forces you to make a comment. When you do, at least explain your motives. I play AoS for a long time, and often, so I think I can see the problems rising to point it out. That doesn't mean my solutions are correct, but at least I'm trying to bring something better to this game. I'm not the only one to say this about the game, a lot of people agreed. "Oh, but shuting down unmoderated servers is ridiculous". So what is supposed to be done? If the answer is "just leave like that. It's a free game, nobody can complain about something, even if he(and a lot of other players) is right about it", then maybe this game deserves what is happening to it.

What I'm saying is that nobody is forcing you to play on these servers without moderators. That's the good thing about a server list, you can play on any server you want.

You see the highly moderated ones topping the list? Maybe you need to check it again. If THE top server, then it's probably ok. But the other server, the ones also full, or at least almost, are full of hackers and without proper moderation. There are also a lot of empty servers, some of them "highly-moderated" as you said. Without the unmoderated ones, the players would go to the good ones, increasing gameplay quality. Also, the unmoderated servers could get moderators, which would avoid their exclusion.

Yeah, three of the top five servers are aloha servers, which I know for a fact have a dedicated staff. Again, it's all about choice. Choose to not play the ones with shit moderation, eventually everyone else will too.

If I was disrespectful, I'm really sorry. But why it's so hard to start a real discussion about this problem? I never intended to create an account to post here, but the gameplay is getting ridiculous. It has almost an abandoned project feeling when you play a server where people does not get kicked for Hacking or Griefing, but they are for reasons like "SMG noob". When I posted here I was really hopeful about a solution. Now, I'm about to stop. It's not something big, because I know nobody here; but what I'm doing is something a lot of other good players(and I mean honest here) did when they noticed that BnS is getting crapier everyday. No one forced them to play the bad servers, so they left. I Just tried to improve something I thought it was worth. But it seems to be not. The good guys are gone, and the trash is piling up.

There's nothing wrong with a discussion, it's just that you have unrealistic expectations. You're somewhat right on the "abandoned project" part, there's not much we can do, since we don't own the game. And idk where this number about most people leaving came from, everyone seems to say it but I don't really see any figures. Also the melodrama at the end isn't really that necessary, you're not a martyr just because nobody liked your idea.

Actually, this message does not need to be answered, since I'm not coming back to check it anymore.

I hope you had fun.

[HomeSquirt]

I wouldn't say it's getting unplayable, but I do think there is a much larger number of noobish players on the servers.
My biggest pet peeve related to this topic is that people hardly ever check a person's stats with /accuracy and /ratio, (if the server allows it.) before deciding whether they should start a votekick or not.

[Granny]

How about a compromise: a recommended list on BnS that shows up before other servers do on the list, which are more heavily moderated. (Servers like Shams, Stormwind, etc.) That way, players have complete freedom which servers to play on, but will be more inclined to play on servers which are hacker and griefer-free, hence populating them more.

[Kuma]

But then it will be harder for newer servers to gain popularity.

[kalphis]

But then it will be harder for newer servers to gain popularity.

While it's convenient, i think the most important thing to get more players on servers is the server not be default sorted by player count. Maybe have good/ "recommended" servers stickyed and other servers by creation date or name or something else except player count.

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I wouldn't recommend user popular ratings because it's possible to abuse it, but instead a pinned servers list, order determined every few months by a specific thread collecting the of votes or ballots from users on this forum would be nice. That way, the potential for abuse is lowered because the voting only occurs at a specific time inside the forum, no one has to be on the "bottom", and it encourages servers to stay online continuously.

[Dare]

How about a compromise: a recommended list on BnS that shows up before other servers do on the list, which are more heavily moderated. (Servers like Shams, Stormwind, etc.) That way, players have complete freedom which servers to play on, but will be more inclined to play on servers which are hacker and griefer-free, hence populating them more.

This is a good idea - most of people are playing Aloha and Call of liberty servers... Then, since there is about 4-5 players online on Stormwind or Shams at the same time, this could be an idea to get more popularity. And i agree with getting people on these servers like Shams because there are, at least for me, more valuable and interesting maps so the community could at least see the work of the mappers.

[Granny]

While it's convenient, i think the most important thing to get more players on servers is the server not be default sorted by player count. Maybe have good/ "recommended" servers stickyed and other servers by creation date or name or something else except player count.

This is basically what I meant - like a box or something just above the server list with buttons to go to the recommended servers. As far as what should sort the other servers...why not let the player decide? Rather than showing him a list, he could be shown server criteria, pick a filter or two, and be on his merry way playing on a server that suits him. Heck, you could use cookies / accounts to save filters per person. (Just brainstorming)

[Kuma]

+1
I like that Idea.

[ReubenMcHawk]

Well, who'd be in charge of deciding which servers are "worthy" of recommendation? All this talk reminds me of the shittiness of the former community, what with all of its committees for every damn thing (who all wound up being the same people).

[Fleischgeruch]

Yea, some server hoster may feel like their server(s) deserve(s) to be a recommended one but due to someone else's decision they are left out. That can lead to their server getting less activity or getting shut down (even if it wasn't that bad) because the recommended ones will get all the people.

[Dare]

Can anyone explain me how to properly install the older version of BnS launcher?

I decided to use jdrew's tutorial to install it and the result was amazing! MY 0.76 version is working, omw!
Jdrew's youtube tutorial to install BnS launcher: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hmVRILKIjg
*this comment is: but nvm.