Do you guys think it's time to create the new BuildAndShoot?

[EldredChandler]

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[17:28] < EldredChandler> Also, trying to force people into so many different things, (iceball, .75, .76, OS) will just fragment everything more
[17:28] < ReubenMcHawk> ^
[17:28] < ReubenMcHawk> you can't make someone like something
[17:29] < ReubenMcHawk> i don't like openspades, trying to force me to play it by saying it's that or nothing will just make me not play
[17:29] < aeiouy> Idek what's better about openspades besides graphics
[17:29] < MrFritz> I agree with Eldred, trying to force a baby to eat something will make it hate you. Consider the community a Baby, if you feed it something it doesnt like. It will hate you
[17:29] < aeiouy> 'Better'*
[17:29] <@StackOverflow> we can't actually force players to use anything, to be honest. at least not without killing off a portion of  the playerbase

[Arkger]

The whole stagnant game thing is indeed an issue, though it's not one that I see needs changing. Like I said earlier in another topic, this site is perfectly capable of supporting AoS, Iceball, and OpenSpades, and trying to shoehorn everyone into the one you prefer and telling the ones who prefer the others to take a hike or get with the program is selfish.

If that is the case, then why sin't there more attention paid to it? I've taken a secret survey, by saying "The World looks amazing in OpenSpades" on servers lately, and most if not all responses have been, "I wish I could use it", or "OpenSpades is bad for BnS, because its trying to alienate a part of the community"

Yeah, that sounds more like a shoddy attempt at viral marketing than anything else.

I understand that, but unless everyone is convinced on moving forward, we will be stuck in the same place... You see how around half of the posts on this thread are about the website? It's obvious no one is serious about the community moving forward, even though we all see it dying. WE HAVE to do something about it before there is NO Buildandshoot to move forward. Jesus Christ, can't we all get serious and try to move along?!

And you're not gonna get everyone. Some people still like .76, some prefer to play the same damn game with OpenSpade, and some like Iceball. Just let everyone do their thing and play what they want, all of you "revolutionary" types are really just being overly dramatic and trying to create a problem where there isn't one.

By us revolutionary types, do mean the people who are trying to get a move on with this game? Reuben, Im not sure you are really grasping what we all are getting at, and to be frank people like you are going to be the downfall of Buildandshoot... not caring until its too late. This game NEEDS a reboot, but who says it has to be at once? We can just create it and advertise and let people casually float over there until there is no need for the prototypes. I understand people will probably leave, but I'd rather that than the whole community dying, like it already is. This time last year, every server was packed, 6 months ago they were okay, but these days only about 5-6 servers will be packed ON A GOOD DAY. I just want people thinking about it, not just letting the community slowy die off like it is now.

[EldredChandler]

It's ok guys, fragmenting the entire player base to .75, .76, Iceball and Open Spades will unite as all!

[ReubenMcHawk]

Reuben, Im not sure you are really grasping what we all are getting at, and to be frank people like you are going to be the downfall of Buildandshoot...

See: Overly dramatic.

We can just create it and advertise and let people casually float over there

That's kind of exactly what's happening, save for the whole trying to persuade people to go to OpenSpades in the long run bit.

I understand people will probably leave, but I'd rather that than the whole community dying, like it already is.

It's not dying. And you would rather they leave, fewer people around to disagree with you.

This time last year, every server was packed, 6 months ago they were okay

Games die out, people get bored with them. Also six months ago it was summer, or at least closer to the end of the school year. People had more time.

[Arkger]

Reuben, Im not sure you are really grasping what we all are getting at, and to be frank people like you are going to be the downfall of Buildandshoot...

See: Overly dramatic.

We can just create it and advertise and let people casually float over there

That's kind of exactly what's happening, save for the whole trying to persuade people to go to OpenSpades in the long run bit.

I understand people will probably leave, but I'd rather that than the whole community dying, like it already is.

It's not dying. And you would rather they leave, fewer people around to disagree with you.

This time last year, every server was packed, 6 months ago they were okay

Games die out, people get bored with them. Also six months ago it was summer, or at least closer to the end of the school year. People had more time.

So, to you, the community isn't dying? Is the community growing? Please, I want a little input from you here. Why do you think moving forward isn't important? Why do you think a new version of buildandshoot won't work?

[ReubenMcHawk]

There's not really much in terms of "moving forward", at least not what you're suggesting. And those are loaded questions, I don't think a new version of buildandshoot would work because frankly not many people have the brainpower and funds to get it going.

[EldredChandler]

So, to you, the community isn't dying? Is the community growing? Please, I want a little input from you here. Why do you think moving forward isn't important? Why do you think a new version of buildandshoot won't work?

Why do we need a new version of the website? It's working fine!

We could work on a new version of a game called Ace of Spades though.

[StackOverflow]

1. OpenSpades And Iceball could very well be the way into the new BuildAndShoot!!!!
You never know when Jagex will get pissed off and stop us from playing .75... it could happen at anytime actually (unless there was a talk with them us general community don't know about) Anywho, they have NOOO control over Openspades however, and I like the community taking this step to free itself Of Jagex. The only problemo here is the fact that not everyone can PLAY openspades, so maybe this will be where Iceball can come into play as well. Iceball for the super low spec players, and OpenSpades for middle and up players. This way we can free ourselves FINALLY of any trace of Jagex. Iceball and Openspades are still big prototypes, but they both look very promising.

1) Jagex can't stop people from playing any version of 0.x. They have no control over it. Redistribution might be a different story, but even that is riddled with tons of grey areas.
2) Trying to support 3 implementations simultaneously is just asking for a disaster

2. These two clients can finally bring everything We've asked for!
See, with us not under the thumb of Jagex, and not being able to edit .75 or .76, we have been at a standstill client side (except mods) for a year (HAPPY ANNIVERSARY :D)
With Iceball and Openspades, we can finally add in everything we have ever wanted! Vehicles, Pistols, MGs, EVERYTHING that Bn had once promised us, can be achieveable guys... we just have to put a little effort in on our parts! New game modes, new kinds of servers, it can ALLLLL be possible :)... All we need to do is bring these two together, so they play off of a new kind of pyspades if you will, kind of the way OpenSpades and Buildandshoot are conjoined. :)

See previous response.

3. WE DUN HAVE MONEY ARKY, HOW CAN WE DO THIS?
Well, quoted from jdrew, "We didn't need money when Ben was around."
And we probably still won't...
but if we NEEEEEEEED the money, to advertise and bring people onboard, why don't we try out kickstarter?
Many things have come true for people through it, and all we need is to conact a couple youtubers to help us out with it!
NewNukeGaming, TheCount, lots of youtubers who play AceOfSpades, and Buildandshoot would help us out if it means they get more views on the latest game release!

This is the main thing I wanted to comment on. First off, yes, Ben did need money to keep the game alive. He was paying out of pocket at first and eventually Jagex picked it up (still way too late though imo). To say "We didn't need money when Ben was around." is completely asinine.

Servers cost money, especially dedicated servers. A kickstarter is not a magical solution to a financial problem. Plus, a little friendly reminder, operating a server (or servers in our case) is not a one time payment. Do you plan on doing a kickstarter every month? Nobody is going to want to do that. Sure, you might have a select few who donate often, but that wouldn't cut it. You should never intend to rely on donations alone.

[Mr.Torch]

Servers cost money, especially dedicated servers. A kickstarter is not a magical solution to a financial problem. Plus, a little friendly reminder, operating a server (or servers in our case) is not a one time payment. Do you plan on doing a kickstarter every month? Nobody is going to want to do that. Sure, you might have a select few who donate often, but that wouldn't cut it. You should never intend to rely on donations alone.

Not always, There are plenty of servers for other games out there that make profits hosting their servers... I play on a server for a different game that gets 200 dollars in donations every day and the server only costs that much to host for a whole month, you can do the math :). But, the problem is not the donation side, it's the age group that you're aiming for (e.g. kids don't always have money to spend), and also if the server is fun/if you can get extra boosts from donating. If ALOHA for instance were to implement some sort of system to where you could get the ability to spectate first person when you died, (Really obscure example), for instance for $1 a month. If it was something people were willing to pay for people would pay for it. As of right now though there is no need to pay for anything you can play everything because it's "100% Free" - Thus the lack of donations.

In my opinion it would be a better idea to make something like OpenSpades a pay to play client considering it has no attachment to the normal client so AOS would still remain Free-To-Play, but you would also be able to "Upgrade" to a "Arguably Nicer" version.

[VladVP]

In my opinion it would be a better idea to make something like OpenSpades a pay to play client considering it has no attachment to the normal client so AOS would still remain Free-To-Play, but you would also be able to "Upgrade" to a "Arguably Nicer" version.

But how would you go about preventing people from just playing on the OpenSpades clients which already exist on all of our hard drives? It's not like the developer saw that he'd probably profit from it at some point, and put some kind of lock on the already existing clients?

An even bigger problem would be piracy. An uncountable amount of incidents have already shown us that it's impossible to fight piracy. If piracy becomes a real problem, the only reason people would buy OpenSpades would be as a sort of donation.

[Commando_Ghost]

In my opinion it would be a better idea to make something like OpenSpades a pay to play client considering it has no attachment to the normal client so AOS would still remain Free-To-Play, but you would also be able to "Upgrade" to a "Arguably Nicer" version.

No.

[StackOverflow]

Servers cost money, especially dedicated servers. A kickstarter is not a magical solution to a financial problem. Plus, a little friendly reminder, operating a server (or servers in our case) is not a one time payment. Do you plan on doing a kickstarter every month? Nobody is going to want to do that. Sure, you might have a select few who donate often, but that wouldn't cut it. You should never intend to rely on donations alone.

Not always, There are plenty of servers for other games out there that make profits hosting their servers... I play on a server for a different game that gets 200 dollars in donations every day and the server only costs that much to host for a whole month, you can do the math :). But, the problem is not the donation side, it's the age group that you're aiming for (e.g. kids don't always have money to spend), and also if the server is fun/if you can get extra boosts from donating. If ALOHA for instance were to implement some sort of system to where you could get the ability to spectate first person when you died, (Really obscure example), for instance for $1 a month. If it was something people were willing to pay for people would pay for it. As of right now though there is no need to pay for anything you can play everything because it's "100% Free" - Thus the lack of donations.

In my opinion it would be a better idea to make something like OpenSpades a pay to play client considering it has no attachment to the normal client so AOS would still remain Free-To-Play, but you would also be able to "Upgrade" to a "Arguably Nicer" version.

There are quite a few differences between that scenario and this.

Also, making OpenSpades p2p would involve a bit of legal hassle and realistically would be pointless seeing as it's under GPLV3.

[bullets]

Just wanted to say Ben sold the rights of the game to jagex in response to "We didn't need money when Ben was around." from jdrew. Jagex secretly paid for the servers and ben to develop the game for over a year before the greater community knew of their involvement.

Holy crap... I don't like Jagex but..... *MIND BLOWN*

Edit: I feel like kickstarter is an opportunity to create a new non Jagex AoS, I doubt it will work, but you never know, I feel for now we should work off of Openspades.