Overly American pic thread

[Battlefire]

I disagree. China does not have a strong influence other then the stuff they make for the world. Plus not much either in the UN. Also military wise they still have a long way to go. They have numbers but they can't transport them as much. Plus most Asian countries hate China. Japan hates them because of Chinese ships in their waters. Or Philippians being bullied by China.

So you are claiming that the country with the world's second-largest military spending, and the fifth-biggest army industry in the entire world "still ha[s] a long way to go"? It's also worth mentioning that their military spending makes up a mere 2% of their entire gross national product! Heck, these guys could serve 4-star meals to all of their soldiers in times of war! And we are talking about the world's biggest army here, which outnumbers the US army by 63%.
Regarding their influence in the UN, they have freaking permanent rights to declare veto in the Security Council! They could instantly halt any military intervention in the world, both against themselves, their allies, and pretty much anyone else. How much more influence do you require in the UN?

Also communism is bad because there's only one party that controls the economy. Which is pretty much a dictatorship. Plus Communism is a faster way of getting a Govt rich. If a elected body then it would work. But that didn't happen.

China is not de facto communist, but state capitalist. That basically means that the state works as one gigantic capitalist organ, and takes care of production, management of resources, and especially trade. This stands in huge contrast with communism which strives to establish a classless, moneyless society, with common ownership of the means of production.

They spend most of their money on military on troops and food for those troops. They built their first carrier like a year ago but haven't moved from there much. India is doing a way better job. Also looks like you don't know how the UN security council works. First off even if China or it's allies vote against anything. There are still others that can beat that vote with more votes. There are five members, France, UK, and US can easily vote against Russia and China. Also even if a vote is against any type of military intervention. That country can still do it. It just puts more pressure against them.

The UN can't tell what the country can do or can't. It just there for negotiations. Also puts pressure so that they know that the word does not want another war. For instance, Syria, US could have did a limited attack with or without the vote of the UN. But because of pressure they decided to go to another direction. That's how the UN works. It can't decide things for countries. Just helps create peaceful talks, instead of fighting.

[VladVP]

They spend most of their money on military on troops and food for those troops.

I have no idea which sources you get that from, but it would only further emphasise my point either way.

They built their first carrier like a year ago but haven't moved from there much. India is doing a way better job.

For the first, that one carrier is just an official number. No one can confidently say exactly how many aircraft carriers are currently in production in China's shipyards. It takes several years to build an aircraft carrier. Rome was not built in a day.
Secondly, 1 is a relatively high number of aircraft carriers, in relation to the rest of the world's countries. In fact, there is 1 country with 10 ACs (The US), 2 countries with 2 ACs, and 6 countries with 1. The fact that China possesses an aircraft carrier alone, is enough to make them a naval superpower.

Also looks like you don't know how the UN security council works. First off even if China or it's allies vote against anything. There are still others that can beat that vote with more votes. There are five members, France, UK, and US can easily vote against Russia and China. Also even if a vote is against any type of military intervention. That country can still do it. It just puts more pressure against them. The UN can't tell what the country can do or can't. It just there for negotiations. Also puts pressure so that they know that the word does not want another war. For instance, Syria, US could have did a limited attack with or without the vote of the UN. But because of pressure they decided to go to another direction. That's how the UN works. It can't decide things for countries. Just helps create peaceful talks, instead of fighting.

Am I the one who doesn't know how the UN Security Council works? The Security Council has 15 members which are choosen every year; of those 15 member states, 5 are permanent: China, France, Russia, the UK and the US. Additionally, each of the permanent mebers have rights to declare something called veto. Veto basically means that they can unilaterally halt the execution of a decision completely. Even if every single other member is for the decision. Please research next time, instead of pulling shit out of your ass like this.
It is indeed true that countries can choose to act against the advise of the Security Council, but that would also mean that they would be against every single other country which is a part of the UN. You would need a pretty strong alliance of superpowers to successfully carry that out. The only country which has attempted to do it by itself, is Argentina in 1982 during the Falklands War; to a devastating loss to Argentina, as Britain was supported by the rest of the UN.

[Zekamalikyd]

and once again battlefire gets owned.

[VladVP]

and once again battlefire gets owned.

[Battlefire]

They spend most of their money on military on troops and food for those troops.

I have no idea which sources you get that from, but it would only further emphasise my point either way.

They built their first carrier like a year ago but haven't moved from there much. India is doing a way better job.

For the first, that one carrier is just an official number. No one can confidently say exactly how many aircraft carriers are currently in production in China's shipyards. It takes several years to build an aircraft carrier. Rome was not built in a day.
Secondly, 1 is a relatively high number of aircraft carriers, in relation to the rest of the world's countries. In fact, there is 1 country with 10 ACs (The US), 2 countries with 2 ACs, and 6 countries with 1. The fact that China possesses an aircraft carrier alone, is enough to make them a naval superpower.

Also looks like you don't know how the UN security council works. First off even if China or it's allies vote against anything. There are still others that can beat that vote with more votes. There are five members, France, UK, and US can easily vote against Russia and China. Also even if a vote is against any type of military intervention. That country can still do it. It just puts more pressure against them. The UN can't tell what the country can do or can't. It just there for negotiations. Also puts pressure so that they know that the word does not want another war. For instance, Syria, US could have did a limited attack with or without the vote of the UN. But because of pressure they decided to go to another direction. That's how the UN works. It can't decide things for countries. Just helps create peaceful talks, instead of fighting.

Am I the one who doesn't know how the UN Security Council works? The Security Council has 15 members which are choosen every year; of those 15 member states, 5 are permanent: China, France, Russia, the UK and the US. Additionally, each of the permanent mebers have rights to declare something called veto. Veto basically means that they can unilaterally halt the execution of a decision completely. Even if every single other member is for the decision. Please research next time, instead of pulling shit out of your ass like this.
It is indeed true that countries can choose to act against the advise of the Security Council, but that would also mean that they would be against every single other country which is a part of the UN. You would need a pretty strong alliance of superpowers to successfully carry that out. The only country which has attempted to do it by itself, is Argentina in 1982 during the Falklands War; to a devastating loss to Argentina, as Britain was supported by the rest of the UN.

They don't hide their ship yards. Right now they are in a slow pace. India is in a faster pace. Their already making better models. Better then US's.

Also the the 5 countries have much more power then the others. If you ever look at examples you will see what I mean. Those other countries can vote but so many times their vote did nothing. For example, the Israel-Palestine conflict. You should have seen the votes from some countries that made no difference.

[VladVP]

They don't hide their ship yards. Right now they are in a slow pace. India is in a faster pace. Their already making better models. Better then US's.

And what exactly made you reach that conclusion? You can't possibly know anything about China's classified information. Especially not something sensitive like this.

Also the the 5 countries have much more power then the others. If you ever look at examples you will see what I mean. Those other countries can vote but so many times their vote did nothing. For example, the Israel-Palestine conflict. You should have seen the votes from some countries that made no difference.

That's why I said that "[y]ou would need a pretty strong alliance of superpowers to successfully carry that out."

[Battlefire]

They don't hide their ship yards. Right now they are in a slow pace. India is in a faster pace. Their already making better models. Better then US's.

And what exactly made you reach that conclusion? You can't possibly know anything about China's classified information. Especially not something sensitive like this.

Also the the 5 countries have much more power then the others. If you ever look at examples you will see what I mean. Those other countries can vote but so many times their vote did nothing. For example, the Israel-Palestine conflict. You should have seen the votes from some countries that made no difference.

That's why I said that "[y]ou would need a pretty strong alliance of superpowers to successfully carry that out."

Hiding carriers under construction is hard. Even harder when your the center of world production facilities.

Also about the UN. You just proven my point. With all these superpowers non-of the small members don't get any power in the assembly. China, Russia or US can shut down any vote or ignore it. What can small countries do against a superpower? Like Israel still needs to sigh the Nuclear weapons deal but because of other outcries shutting it down the vote can't do anything. Or even worse when one superpower can easily out vote the smaller countries. That's why there are only debates between US, UK, Russia, and China.

[VladVP]

Hiding carriers under construction is hard. Even harder when your the center of world production facilities.

Are you retarded? China is not Singapore; their official de facto territory stretches 9.7 million square kilometres. And more importantly they have a coast line which goes on for 14,500 kilomtres, with major industrial centres everywhere along it. Even if the US pointed all of their spy sattelites towards China, it would still be close to impossible to identify a shipyard which is producing military equipment.

Also about the UN. You just proven my point. With all these superpowers non-of the small members don't get any power in the assembly. China, Russia or US can shut down any vote or ignore it. What can small countries do against a superpower? Like Israel still needs to sigh the Nuclear weapons deal but because of other outcries shutting it down the vote can't do anything. Or even worse when one superpower can easily out vote the smaller countries. That's why there are only debates between US, UK, Russia, and China.

You basically just repeated what I said. All of your extra details only further confirm how powerful China is as a military power.

[nuclearpotato]

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[VladVP]

dis is amerika animal it name is hambuga it veri big it fed mani pepul it go woof woof

Holy shit, where did they find an oven big enough to bake that bread?

[Battlefire]

Hiding carriers under construction is hard. Even harder when your the center of world production facilities.

Are you retarded? China is not Singapore; their official de facto territory stretches 9.7 million square kilometres. And more importantly they have a coast line which goes on for 14,500 kilomtres, with major industrial centres everywhere along it. Even if the US pointed all of their spy sattelites towards China, it would still be close to impossible to identify a shipyard which is producing military equipment.

Also about the UN. You just proven my point. With all these superpowers non-of the small members don't get any power in the assembly. China, Russia or US can shut down any vote or ignore it. What can small countries do against a superpower? Like Israel still needs to sigh the Nuclear weapons deal but because of other outcries shutting it down the vote can't do anything. Or even worse when one superpower can easily out vote the smaller countries. That's why there are only debates between US, UK, Russia, and China.

You basically just repeated what I said. All of your extra details only further confirm how powerful China is as a military power.

Again China is no even near military power. Economically yes. China can't move their military anywhere. They don't have the ships or air force do do so. US can transport a battalion within 12-24 hours. Also it's hard to hide a shipyard. Even so when you over populated. How the hell during the Cold War the US mapped all the Nuclear lunch sites in the WHOLE WORLD. Compare that to China.

[Zekamalikyd]

Hiding carriers under construction is hard. Even harder when your the center of world production facilities.

Are you retarded? China is not Singapore; their official de facto territory stretches 9.7 million square kilometres. And more importantly they have a coast line which goes on for 14,500 kilomtres, with major industrial centres everywhere along it. Even if the US pointed all of their spy sattelites towards China, it would still be close to impossible to identify a shipyard which is producing military equipment.

Also about the UN. You just proven my point. With all these superpowers non-of the small members don't get any power in the assembly. China, Russia or US can shut down any vote or ignore it. What can small countries do against a superpower? Like Israel still needs to sigh the Nuclear weapons deal but because of other outcries shutting it down the vote can't do anything. Or even worse when one superpower can easily out vote the smaller countries. That's why there are only debates between US, UK, Russia, and China.

You basically just repeated what I said. All of your extra details only further confirm how powerful China is as a military power.

Again China is no even near military power. Economically yes. China can't move their military anywhere. They don't have the ships or air force do do so. US can transport a battalion within 12-24 hours. Also it's hard to hide a shipyard. Even so when you over populated. How the hell during the Cold War the US mapped all the Nuclear lunch sites in the WHOLE WORLD. Compare that to China.

someone needs wikipedia pages.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s ... ound_Force
Size:
1,700,000 active personnel
800,000 reserve personnel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s ... _Air_Force
Size:
330,000 active personnel
2,500+ aircraft

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s ... _Army_Navy
Size:
290,000 personnel
515+ ships
432 aircraft

[VladVP]

How the hell during the Cold War the US mapped all the Nuclear lunch sites in the WHOLE WORLD.

Maybe because of the fact that a huge hole in the ground, clearly visible from above, looks a liiitle bit suspicious.

[Zekamalikyd]

How the hell during the Cold War the US mapped all the Nuclear lunch sites in the WHOLE WORLD.

Maybe because of the fact that a huge hole in the ground, clearly visible from above, looks a liiitle bit suspicious.

he means nuclear lunch
as in lunch that's nuclear
maybe because the us spies on everyone

[VladVP]

How the hell during the Cold War the US mapped all the Nuclear lunch sites in the WHOLE WORLD.

Maybe because of the fact that a huge hole in the ground, clearly visible from above, looks a liiitle bit suspicious.

he means nuclear lunch
as in lunch that's nuclear
maybe because the us spies on everyone

Maybe this is the reason that all American's metabolic systems are dysfunctional... o.O