Abandon 0.75, Update to 0.76

[Lelue]

i still have the problem in .76 with the minilaggspikes, i heard that i am not the only european player with this problem, tbh i dont have those in .75, its very annoying to see the enemys not walking smoothly :/

[Vezok]

I'm going to bump this because this is something that really needs to be done. Seriously guys, Jagex is doing a better job than you right now. And they're the North Korea of gaming corporations.

[Marisa Kirisame]

North Korea eh?

Ahh, Ace of Spades. Land of the missed opportunity.

Do you realise how much fun a true custom 1.x server would be? No? Very few do, thanks to decisions in Jagex only a bureaucrat would make. But I expect that to change.

1.x is more fun and better balanced than 0.75. Thank you very much. Yes. I was hungry. I had a craving for tomatoes. But it's true.

In 0.x, everyone's obsessed with truly classic AoS maps such as pinpoint, hallway, assault, goon assault, and just about every flat and bland map you're sick of. I haven't seen much "Make War" though... You get my drift. Those maps are bland and boring, and you can't dig down.

0.76 would be better if it had more regulars (hello Revolet <3). And better maps (where's a gen server when you need it?).

- <3 -

I wish this were a democracy, and I wish a vote were around the corner. I'd love to have all you guys doing blatant vote-buying, so we can have nice things for once. By nice things I mean a rifle that lives up to its legacy.

It's a dictatorship. No, not the glorious type. If you would like to find out how to run a dictatorship, just ask Jagex. They're doing better than you right now. Start doing better than them, or they will steal your players. I'll happily help them.

You have the power to promote things. Did you wield that power? Wield your power with enthusiasm, or someone else will wield theirs against you. My role will involve laughing at you.

--mk<3

[TheVetNoob]

Have any of the site administrators actually given a reason as to why we haven't updated in nearly a year?

[Marisa Kirisame]

Well, they bored me into buying 1.x.

They also bored me into hacking the stuffing out of it. Y'know, just so it would work.

I even feel it was worth it.

[danhezee]

Since grease monkey is going to use an alt account to help with his confirmation bias. I am going to use the knowledge he shared with me to end the subjective bullshit once and for all.

People complaining about 0.75 are just matrys basing their analysis of 0.75 to 0.76 on subjective circumstance, they think it is broken that cant show it, in reality it is nothing more than the placebo effect and confirmation bias. It is all psychological, it is their minds playing tricks on them.

Why it is a placebo effect? Because the difference in rifle spread varies by 0.002 or 2 thousandths. 0.006 for 0.75 and 0.004 for 0.76. People are not going to be able to jump into the game and tell the difference. In grease's accuracy fix he has to use a value much closer to zero than any released version that had any form of rifle spread. His accuracy fix is set 0.0001 or 1 ten-thousandths, the bullet has almost zero stray. It is a no-spread hack. Why does the number have to be so much closer to zero than anything else, because the nonsense about the accuracy is subjective and the only way to "fix it", to make it feel right, is to use values much lower than the any official release.

Why is it confirmation bias? First what is confirmation bais, it a tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses. aka bandwagoning, circle jerking, etc. Meaning anyone who agrees with them counts as evidence they are correct. Anyone who believes different is quickly written off as wrong usually with an irrelevant excuse. In our community, we see excuses like they havent played as long as I have. They are from the wrong country. Oh that group of players is just disagree with me to me upset. They are part of this clan and not part of my clan or group of superior players. See where I am going with this, none of the reasons to discard the groups that disagree with them have to do with rifle accuracy it is always something else.

I can objectively prove what they say is broke is a placebo. We do it exactly how they test the effects of medication. We can do a blind study. There are a number of ways we could set it up. Those you know what to look for, aka grease and few others, would probably have to sit out or help make the test. All I need is a normal 0.75 client and a 0.75 client that is patched to match the exact accuracy of 0.76, not the it feels like it is patched correctly version. I gave them a client they dont know whats what, they play and they tell me if it was patched or not. I predict the overall evidence will point to players not being able to tell the difference.

In the end it doesnt matter, if you like 0.76, then play it. If want more servers running 0.76 then host it or beg a server owner to host it. Will the master server quit letting 0.75 servers connect to it? No. It is not going to happen.

Like I said before in this thread. We are going to have a consolidated server list and one download link for the launcher that will include support for OpenSpades and hopefully modloader for the voxel versions. In the future we might open up support for older versions of voxlap as well.

[Moose]

I can objectively prove what they say is broke is a placebo. We do it exactly how they test the effects of medication. We can do a blind study. There are a number of ways we could set it up. Those you know what to look for, aka grease and few others, would probably have to sit out or help make the test. All I need is a normal 0.75 client and a 0.75 client that is patched to match the exact accuracy of 0.76, not the it feels like it is patched correctly version. I gave them a client they dont know whats what, they play and they tell me if it was patched or not. I predict the overall evidence will point to players not being able to tell the difference.

yes because I hate the font and only the font

bring back the old font and it is fine

[GreaseMonkey]

People complaining about 0.75 are just matrys basing their analysis of 0.75 to 0.76 on subjective circumstance, they think it is broken that cant show it, in reality it is nothing more than the placebo effect and confirmation bias. It is all psychological, it is their minds playing tricks on them.

I can confirm that the lack of aimbotting in 0.76 isn't a placebo. (I expect this to be temporary, sadly, but I'm all for moving onto something the community can take care of e.g. making OpenSpades move away from 0.75/0.76 and becoming its own thing. I still refuse to admin 0.75 servers though.) The bandwidth usage is actually lower, too. So there are reasons other than just the rifle spread and the SMG damage, the latter of which is actually serverside.

Why it is a placebo effect? Because the difference in rifle spread varies by 0.002 or 2 thousandths. 0.006 for 0.75 and 0.004 for 0.76. People are not going to be able to jump into the game and tell the difference.

I did the mathematics, and with a perfectly aimed shot, within a 0.5-block radius (this just makes the maths a bit easier, really), a spread of 0.006 is going to hit stuff at the fog line 35% of the time, while a spread of 0.004 will hit it 79% of the time (read: you miss 65% of your shots on the fog line in 0.75, and 21% of them in 0.76), and 0.003 is guaranteed. 0.006 works well for the SMG as long as you have sane damage values.

An experiment for this would be good to try though.

In grease's accuracy fix he has to use a value much closer to zero than any released version that had any form of rifle spread. His accuracy fix is set 0.0001 or 1 ten-thousandths, the bullet has almost zero stray. It is a no-spread hack.

It's 0.0001 because if you set it to 0 it crashes, probably due to a divide-by-zero, but that's mostly just a sidenote. But yeah, the spread in that is so negligible that if you were to miss one of those shots, you didn't deserve that shot.

There is a very good reason why the rifle in Iceball has absolutely no spread, and that is because I firmly believe that luck shouldn't play any part of it.

In the end it doesnt matter, if you like 0.76, then play it. If want more servers running 0.76 then host it or beg a server owner to host it. Will the master server quit letting 0.75 servers connect to it? No. It is not going to happen

You could at least promote 0.76 as the main version, like somewhere between 57% and 90% of people who voted in this thread want, but I can see how this is a difficult situation. I do feel that this community reaks of complacency, though.

Maybe a shakeup is what we need.

Judging by the master list, 0.76 has a capacity of at least 224 players (excluding that FR Sw server because that's broken, but including aloha 0.76 hallway).

But still, I refuse to admin 0.75. That's not going to change.

[Sennar]

Why it is a placebo effect? Because the difference in rifle spread varies by 0.002 or 2 thousandths. 0.006 for 0.75 and 0.004 for 0.76. People are not going to be able to jump into the game and tell the difference.

I did the mathematics, and with a perfectly aimed shot, within a 0.5-block radius (this just makes the maths a bit easier, really), a spread of 0.006 is going to hit stuff at the fog line 35% of the time, while a spread of 0.004 will hit it 79% of the time (read: you miss 65% of your shots on the fog line in 0.75, and 21% of them in 0.76), and 0.003 is guaranteed. 0.006 works well for the SMG as long as you have sane damage values.

I do have the feeling that my shots in .75 always slighty pass my opponents which rarely happens in .76 - But yeah might as well be me being bad.

[danhezee]

I dont admin any game servers besides the league servers because of the aimbotters too. And we all know the safe haven that is 0.76 wont stay a safe haven in the limelight. A system of authing with client side anticheat is the only way to ensure a great experience. That is why I annoy stack about it constantly.

Also once authing is in place I think more people will play 0.76 because of the ease of joining 0.76 servers through the launcher.

I also believe everyone demanding we shut down 0.75 should spend their effects promoting 0.76. Hosting events, participating in events. Talking about how they believe it is better, not getting upset at us for allowing server owners to join our master server.

We will highlight those events. We have highlighted those events. We need more events anyways.

If 0.76 is presented as a funner better balanced experience, people will migrate over. If is presented as the only reason why people will play it is because we dropped support for 0.75, in my opinion that would leave negative connotations in people's minds. That is the last thing you want.

[Vezok]

^It's not like Ben kept support for the older versions when a new one was released.

[fatty]

Yup.

Openspades FTW!

(and I'm saying this as a feller who has a machine that can't run the bugger)

Do yourselves a favour and start a new community. This one is stagnant and very possibly moderated by Jagex and its associates.

Seriously. The silence and inaction of the moderators here is very very telling!

[Sennar]

Yup.

Openspades FTW!

(and I'm saying this as a feller who has a machine that can't run the bugger)

Do yourselves a favour and start a new community. This one is stagnant and very possibly moderated by Jagex and its associates.

Seriously. The silence and inaction of the moderators here is very very telling!

The problem with openspades in my opinion is that you really cant play against anyone who uses normal aos.

^It's not like Ben kept support for the older versions when a new one was released.

This made me chuckle :'D Just because of how simply true it is.

[ReubenMcHawk]

Wasn't .76 not even officially released? IIRC it was distributed over the forums and IRC as an open beta.

[Willy]

Wasn't .76 not even officially released? IIRC it was distributed over the forums and IRC as an open beta.

Probably the first time I've ever disagreed with you (if I'm inferring what you're saying correctly, that is) - 0.76 is absolutely fine, there's a few minor bugs to iron out, I don't agree with altering 0.76 in any deliberate way (I like the falloff on the rifle and other weapons) but I do believe work needs to be done on ironing out these bugs and then updating, instead of waiting for 0.75 to magically become the 'good' version it clearly isn't. 0.76 was and is an open beta, but it doesn't have to be.