gun controll or not

[ZEB 99]

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[CommieBuffalo]

I agree that backround checks don't infringe in your rights but a ban of military weapons does

If the military has some kick ass rifles, Why can't I ? what is stopping any future president from becoming another Adolf Hitler?
and for the last bit where you said gun control saves lives
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01 ... -an-ar-15/
this is the dreaded AR-15 the weapon that everyone wanted to ban that saved lives.

Sorry for the small ad absurdum, but it goes to show how that logic is flawed:
Yeah, why can the US Military get those big tanks that can bring down explosive death to tens of people while I can't? That is unfair! How am I going to destroy Pingpong or whatever North Korea's capital is without one?

"what is stopping any future president from becoming another Adolf Hitler?"
The same thing stopping people from marrying dogs and sheep if we legalize gay marriage: Logic. That is a Slippery Slope, and a pretty damn common one.

Oh, make no mistake: I am all in for allowing people to own guns. But holy shit do you really need a military-grade assault rifle to try and defend your home from a small-time robber? Isn't a pistol(or a shotgun) enough for it? Most robbers would just give up if they think, the owner of the house has a gun anyway, a semi-automatic pistol and a full-auto military rifle will both rain death on the invader, but the rifle is much more likely to end up dealing collateral damage to other people's houses and themselves.

PS: That is, in home defense, of course. I see no problem with people owning rifles and stuff like that for sport, like for target shooting, hunting, etc.

[White Hot]

Exactly CommieBuffalo. Guns are fine in general, but we need more moderation on them.

[ZEB 99]

"Logic. That is a Slippery Slope,"
not many people nowadays use common sense or logic.

[White Hot]

"Logic. That is a Slippery Slope,"
not many people nowadays use common sense or logic.

I hate when people say "they don't use logic." Everyone uses logic and common sense every day.

[ZEB 99]

you know what i think. when a muslum bombs a building they consantley remind us all of them aint bad. Shouldent gun owners get the same tretment?

[Ozone]

@commie buffalo
to answer your question yes I do need a military-grade-rifle.
as I said before in the USA the government is regulated by its people , in other words , if military gets them then as a voting citizen I should be able to get one If I wanted to. (as I said before background checks don't tread on me , one who wants a automatic must be sane first. in 2003 we sold 23 automatic rifles to people with metal illnesses because we didn't want to hurt there feelings , don't get me wrong, that should not happen.
also where I live there are TONS of people who participate in gang activities . they have very short tempers.
and they call them gangs for a reason add there numbers with the countless meth addicts here so yea I want an AR-15 with at least 20 rounds to defend my home.
on the Hitler thing
when Hitler ran to become the guy in charge he was shown to be a charismatic war hero who experience poverty for himself. then he slowly began to blame the jewish minority and from there.....
logic didn't stop it from happening and anyone who spoke out against it in its begging steps were silenced the next day.
there are countless storys of German men defending their jewish wives to the deaths with their firearms (which back in the day would have been considered "Assault Weapons")

[ZEB 99]

@commie buffalo
to answer your question yes I do need a military-grade-rifle.
as I said before in the USA the government is regulated by its people , in other words , if military gets them then as a voting citizen I should be able to get one If I wanted to. (as I said before background checks don't tread on me , one who wants a automatic must be sane first. in 2003 we sold 23 automatic rifles to people with metal illnesses because we didn't want to hurt there feelings , don't get me wrong, that should not happen.
also where I live there are TONS of people who participate in gang activities . they have very short tempers.
and they call them gangs for a reason add there numbers with the countless meth addicts here so yea I want an AR-15 with at least 20 rounds to defend my home.
on the Hitler thing
when Hitler ran to become the guy in charge he was shown to be a charismatic war hero who experience poverty for himself. then he slowly began to blame the jewish minority and from there.....
logic didn't stop it from happening and anyone who spoke out against it in its begging steps were silenced the next day.
there are countless storys of German men defending their jewish wives to the deaths with their firearms (which back in the day would have been considered "Assault Weapons")

as i said before its nice to see someone who agrees with me

[CommieBuffalo]

@commie buffalo
to answer your question yes I do need a military-grade-rifle.
as I said before in the USA the government is regulated by its people , in other words , if military gets them then as a voting citizen I should be able to get one If I wanted to. Yeah, and I want my tank. There are things that only the military should need to have, like tanks and fully automatic rifles. (as I said before background checks don't tread on me good, one who wants a automatic must be sane first. in 2003 we sold 23 automatic rifles to people with metal illnesses because we didn't want to hurt there feelings , don't get me wrong, that should not happen. We agree here. What I want to mean is that assault rifles should be, at most, for sporting purposes(hunting, target shooting, etc), not for home defense.
also where I live there are TONS of people who participate in gang activities . they have very short tempers.
and they call them gangs for a reason add there numbers with the countless meth addicts here so yea I want an AR-15 with at least 20 rounds to defend my home. Have you tried moving to a better location? Those things are problems that are everywhere on every country in the world, to a lesser or higher degree. Besides, there are pistols that can take over 15 rounds per magazine, and if you are living in a place where 20 plus people routinely attack your house, I recommend you move out of Somalia.
on the Hitler thing
when Hitler ran to become the guy in charge he was shown to be a charismatic war hero who experience poverty for himself. then he slowly began to blame the jewish minority and from there.....
logic didn't stop it from happening and anyone who spoke out against it in its begging steps were silenced the next day.
there are countless storys of German men defending their jewish wives to the deaths with their firearms (which back in the day would have been considered "Assault Weapons") The problem is that this is an extremely complex subject. Your logic is basically "this president does not allows us to buy automatic weapons, he will obviously start a war that kills millions of people and will go down as the worst conflict in human history." Besides, his' habit of throwing the jews to the fire as a solution for every problem started before he came to power. He used jews as a scapegoat to get popular support, but, I digress. Point is: You can't just compare a guy that started a world-wide conflict with multiple and deep political causes that affected everyone(even in ways most people don't even imagine. In Brazil,for an example, we industrialized in the post-war, because Europe was still rebuilding and they needed a lot of cheap, third-world stuff while they recovered their industries)

[HoboHob]

I believe that every American household should be issued a gun. Unless the persons are convicted criminals and are at risk of committing a crime or have a debilitating disease (mental illness or paralysis ETC.).

The reason for this is, if a potential criminal has a gun, it won't matter much because he knows every person on the block has one too.

[Ozone]

I believe that every American household should be issued a gun. Unless the persons are convicted criminals and are at risk of committing a crime or have a debilitating disease (mental illness or paralysis ETC.).

The reason for this is, if a potential criminal has a gun, it won't matter much because he knows every person on the block has one too.

okay im not saying that is a bad idea but most people who go out and buy guns as oppose to inheriting them is that alot of people go through fits of rage, alcoholism and the like.
also you implied that only one mental fitness test will be give after that a guy might go through a spiraling depression or insanity
and a man with nothing left to lose and a gun is a bad mix there is alot more to gun safety then just flipping a switch, keeping your finger off the trigger and not pointing at things.
again its not a bad idea per-say but a flawed one at that.

[Space Inspader]

Ozone. The president can't go around issuing people to go slay off a state of people. FYI this is America, not Germany. That's why there are amendments in place. Sure, you can own a tank, but you don't need ammo for it do you? And, automatic weapons? What do you need to use it for? Over-kill an animal? Show off your guns for no reason? "Oh hey guys come looka my kool minigun." I don't see a good reason anyone can give me to own powerful weapons, or automatic weapons since there is no use for any unless you had to fight of zombies or something ridiculous.

[Ozone]

ever hear of a thing called an executive order ? its something that allows the president to do what ever he wants
and Obama wanted generals that would order to fire on US citizens. (this goes beyond the whole gun debate but ...why?)
http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=46824
http://www.infowars.com/nobel-peace-pri ... -citizens/
I said I want a military-grade rifle because there are alot of gangs where I live.
and I just thought of a question (not trying to be offensive here I enjoy finding other peoples political views) do you guys want to ban Rifles that shoot High-Power rounds too? because a skilled shooter that is shooting an M1 Garand will out shoot five morons with AK's anyday , provided that there is enough distance.
also I never said I want a tank.

[ZEB 99]

our presedent wants to destroy america. He wrote a book and in it he said he hates america and that he wants to bring america to its nees. Hows he gonna do that? Take our guns away first and slowley strip us of our rights,

[TB_]

our presedent wants to destroy america. He wrote a book and in it he said he hates america and that he wants to bring america to its nees. Hows he gonna do that? Take our guns away first and slowley strip us of our rights,