Lets make "Build and shoot" game.

[Jordach]

im confused about this. Is it a finished game? If so how do you uise it?

HOWEVER, THERE IS NO CLIENT AS I'VE BEEN DECIDING ON WHAT 3D ENGINE I SHOULD / WILL USE.

Read please :(
I convinced him to use pure ogl :3

Why? I'm guessing he doesn't have a lot of experience in writing games/4D apps, so it would probably be rather inefficient compared to an existing engine.

Rakiru, I do have patience, but not enough time.

[Matej]

What about custom CUBE2 engine + Sauerbraten mod?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKng8p4YNlM

CUBE2 engine is damn fast and runs pretty fast even on my netbook...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl-aPV8BHaY

Bulild in editor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmkkA87CWOQ

Even it has coopedit player mode...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84Q7iDwaGlA

What I will or what I can do:
characters - "ace of spades" like soldiers (md3 file)
textures - nice textures (seamless texture generator)
music - I will do chipmusic / 8bit music (samples created on my atari 8bit, gameboy, sega megadrive)
maps - I will do maps (in Cube2 editor)
3D models - in blender3D (md3 export)
server - I will make server from old notebook

What I cant do:
mod CUBE2 - ingame realtime voxel like placing cubes (instead of using build in editor)

[Sonarpulse]

You also realize you have no code committed that wouldn't be rewritten: you can't write main first for something like this.

I wise first step would be to get the documentation lensmen & rakiru made and build a dummy client that connects to the server and dumps packets to stdout. Get the networking down as that is what we need most.

[Jordach]

You also realize you have no code committed that wouldn't be rewritten: you can't write main first for something like this.

I wise first step would be to get the documentation lensmen & rakiru made and build a dummy client that connects to the server and dumps packets to stdout. Get the networking down as that is what we need most.

I know the networking is most important, as GM said himself; but why did Ben use stupid formats?

[ZEB 99]

I am 3D artist (maps, objects, weapons), music composer (FX, soundtracks) and AOS player (skAOS, Jun, Matej, Horn3t - deuces), and i am russian. i fight kodiak bears and drink lot of vodka. i drive car and fight people when crash.
Lets make better AOS based on fast voxel engine. With strategy elements (mining iron for bullets and weapons changes, minning rocks for building material, sending medkits like "shoting someone", jetpack - mining fuel cubes, cars, planes etc etc etc). With better characters (simple but skinable from menu - character editor).
With better textures, with sky JPG, with semi-transparent cubes (leafs, grass)?
Fully opensource, free to play etc etc. With our psyspade like server app.
Super fast running on old computers...
Lets crowddevelopment this. With "BuildAndShoot" name aka "B&S".
Calling all and to build that!!!

FTFY

he didnt say the bears thing. Thats me(exept russian part)

[Cajun Style]

OP could submit music to Iceball. Also if you're comfortable using voxels (and the primitive tools to edit them), you could make some (item) models.

[GreaseMonkey]

I know the networking is most important, as GM said himself; but why did Ben use stupid formats?

Because Ken Silverman made said "stupid" formats, and his VOXLAP engine uses them, and Ben Aksoy decided to use VOXLAP, so the formats logically followed suit.
Well, OK, the .vxl format we get is actually a headerless version of Ken's original format (seriously Ben, why the fuck did you remove the header, the larger/smaller maps solution was sitting right in front of you), but it's actually a pretty good format, despite the fact that nobody uses the lighting byte in their maps (hell, AoS 1.0 just sets it to 0xFF and leaves it at that).

The formats were designed to be rendered quickly in software, and I've actually had some joy in using the .vxl format internally for the Iceball software renderer. Not only that, but it's easy to find the topmost block given an x,z coordinate.

[GreaseMonkey]

ffffffffffffffff stupid edit button doesn't let me quote previous posts so double posting here

OP could submit music to Iceball. Also if you're comfortable using voxels (and the primitive tools to edit them), you could make some (item) models.

Please use the Impulse Tracker (*.it) format if you wish to contribute music to Iceball. I will be using this library (libsackit) when/if we ever get music support. Please check your output against Impulse Tracker itself (DOSBox will help here) if you want it to be in any way accurate, and please don't use resonant filters yet as those aren't supported by the mixer at this stage (I'm working my way up to IT 2.14p3 which adds them in, currently up to IT 2.12 near-accuracy).

If you have any edge cases where it plays differently in Impulse Tracker compared with libsackit, please send me the files, as, well... not everything is implemented yet.

[rakiru]

Rakiru, I do have patience, but not enough time.

rakiru*

I said nothing about patience, or time for that matter.

However, if you do not have time, as you claim (which I am not doubting), then you shouldn't waste the small amount you have constantly posting about your awesome new client.

I'd also like to point our that your current client is already going to take up over 192MB or memory, which is pretty fucking excessive, especially when you go on about Android/iOS and stuff too.

[Matej]

@ALL - CUBE2 - sourcecode:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/sauerbraten/?source=dlp

1. download sauerbraten game
2. install sauerbraten game
3. search src folder
4. bingo there is source code...


@ZEB99 - I am EU so no kamchatka brown bears here, just small brown bears...

[Buffet_of_Lies]

@ALL - CUBE2 - sourcecode:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/sauerbraten/?source=dlp

1. download sauerbraten game
2. install sauerbraten game
3. search src folder
4. bingo there is source code...

I don't think Saurbrauten is a voxel-based project. I don't know too much about all this development stuff but it seems to me something like PolyVox would be a more appropriate place to start.

[Jordach]

Rakiru, I do have patience, but not enough time.

rakiru*

I said nothing about patience, or time for that matter.

However, if you do not have time, as you claim (which I am not doubting), then you shouldn't waste the small amount you have constantly posting about your awesome new client.

I'd also like to point our that your current client is already going to take up over 192MB or memory, which is pretty fucking excessive, especially when you go on about Android/iOS and stuff too.

Let me point out most phones these days have 1GB of ram, 512mb at best.

[White Hot]

Rakiru, I do have patience, but not enough time.

rakiru*

I said nothing about patience, or time for that matter.

However, if you do not have time, as you claim (which I am not doubting), then you shouldn't waste the small amount you have constantly posting about your awesome new client.

I'd also like to point our that your current client is already going to take up over 192MB or memory, which is pretty fucking excessive, especially when you go on about Android/iOS and stuff too.

Let me point out most phones these days have 1GB of ram, 512mb at best.

192 is a lot even for computers. Personally I wouldn't even go to phones because phones don't have mice, and a touch to shoot kind of thing is pretty OP compared to using a mouse.

[rakiru]

Rakiru, I do have patience, but not enough time.

rakiru*

I said nothing about patience, or time for that matter.

However, if you do not have time, as you claim (which I am not doubting), then you shouldn't waste the small amount you have constantly posting about your awesome new client.

I'd also like to point our that your current client is already going to take up over 192MB or memory, which is pretty fucking excessive, especially when you go on about Android/iOS and stuff too.

Let me point out most phones these days have 1GB of ram, 512mb at best.

Let me point out that the Android OS has a per-app memory limit of 16 or 24MB (depending on the version). Getting around that is a massive pain in the arse and requires you to do a lot of memory management stuff yourself. Also, memory is relatively slow, compared to the CPU/graphics chip (if your phone has one), and efficiency is clearly important on such a low-powered device.

[ZEB 99]

Whenever its a working game someone please tell me.