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[EldredChandler]

YThat's the cancer that is killing both of the communities of 1.0 and
0.x. We cannot discuss something effectively without it going offhand.

I'm sure you know a lot about the proper way of discussion, being banned from both 1.0 forums and BnS. I'll be sure to follow your excellent examples in the future.

Let's go back to 1shot 1 kill. All he is trying to say is that there needs better monitoring for servers so we can fight the issue of hacking. Instead you guys turn it into a debate of wether or not admins have lives.

Because that's directly relevant to his topic, the reason servers aren't admin'd well is because people have things to do. Which is more important; administrating an indie game server, or working/going to school?

Billion dollar companies like Valve don't even bother to stop people from downloading LFMAOBox and hacking tf2, at least people here try. AoS servers are run by normal people in their spare time to help the community. Complaining about a free service given to you in a free game is silly.

[TheGreatestDest]

Before this godforsaken thread is locked, and before the pacifist fools return, I need to leave a voice mail for Reuben and the like...

People like me who came around in the old days of AOS were actually here to play the damned game for what it was meant to be (contrary to popular belief, it wasn't meant to be a hacker-infested version of Counterstrike with bad graphics): a mix of historic tactical war combined with environmental sandboxing.

Now comes the time when RockPaperShotgun releases their article in 2011, and random people begin to come. This is where I went on hiatus for a long time.

Fast forward to now. I came off hiatus to see that AOS is now just a pale shadow of what it used to be. Many of the public servers are now overtaken by the player base that essentially dominate much of the FPS genre: hackers, campers (who I have a 7.62mm bullet for with their name on it), quickscopers, SMG heroes, grenade spammers, and the like.

With the rise of these people came the rise of TDM/Arena, which only makes the whole thing much worse, because these people viewing the home page will look at the server list and say, "Hey they have my favorite gamemode! I want this game now!"
And guess who ya find on matches of Babel/CTF soon after...

If you're going to shoot back at me (pun somewhat intended) with "just don't play those arena servers" one more time, quiet. I can play on my own server, and guess who I find? Come on, just guess?
Said player base above, and maybe the occasional vet.

If you're going to shoot back at me with "they can play however they want", then I can hate them for playing in such a shit fashion according to that logic. Their play style simply does not work in a game like this.

Take this for example: you're playing BF3 on Rush as an attacker, and most of your team is made of this playerbase. You're actually attempting to take the M-COMs, but you're alone in this task. Guess why?
All the low-level kids are only concerned with getting their killstreaks, running around and dying at a stupid rate. You bleed tickets for a while thanks to them, and boom! You lost, all because of a bunch of kids who don't know how to play right.

Now, this scenario doesn't QUITE apply in AOS, but the principle still stands: Get in a server full of idiots, and you're not going to have a good game. Your whole team will be running out into the open hoping to try and sprint over to the enemy spawn to get cheap kills by spawnkilling. If I see anybody doing this, they get a nice little message from me on Y chat.

But in the end, these people are the main reason I don't play AOS much anymore, and BF3 tbh. Being in servers full of these people never ends well for me.
If I wanted to see them, I'd play black ops...

[Teeth]

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[ReubenMcHawk]

Before this godforsaken thread is locked, and before the pacifist fools return, I need to leave a voice mail for Reuben and the like...

People like me who came around in the old days of AOS were actually here to play the damned game for what it was meant to be (contrary to popular belief, it wasn't meant to be a hacker-infested version of Counterstrike with bad graphics): a mix of historic tactical war combined with environmental sandboxing.

Now comes the time when RockPaperShotgun releases their article in 2011, and random people begin to come. This is where I went on hiatus for a long time.

Yeah I was around here for that, I don't remember any massive spike in activity following that RPS article. If anything the YouTube people are the ones that brought the cancer.

Fast forward to now. I came off hiatus to see that AOS is now just a pale shadow of what it used to be. Many of the public servers are now overtaken by the player base that essentially dominate much of the FPS genre: hackers, campers (who I have a 7.62mm bullet for with their name on it), quickscopers, SMG heroes, grenade spammers, and the like.

With the rise of these people came the rise of TDM/Arena, which only makes the whole thing much worse, because these people viewing the home page will look at the server list and say, "Hey they have my favorite gamemode! I want this game now!"
And guess who ya find on matches of Babel/CTF soon after...

Yeah, people playing CTF as TDM has been an issue for a while now, long before the "golden age" ended.

If you're going to shoot back at me (pun somewhat intended) with "just don't play those arena servers" one more time, quiet. I can play on my own server, and guess who I find? Come on, just guess?
Said player base above, and maybe the occasional vet.

You're trying to equate how long someone's been around with how good at the game they are, and that's really not how it works. And yeah, don't play arena servers if you don't want to play with arena players. How hard is that?

If you're going to shoot back at me with "they can play however they want", then I can hate them for playing in such a shit fashion according to that logic. Their play style simply does not work in a game like this.

Well of course you can hate them, just don't expect to air your opinions out in a public space and have no one disagree with you.

Now, this scenario doesn't QUITE apply in AOS, but the principle still stands: Get in a server full of idiots, and you're not going to have a good game. Your whole team will be running out into the open hoping to try and sprint over to the enemy spawn to get cheap kills by spawnkilling. If I see anybody doing this, they get a nice little message from me on Y chat.

Idk, if you play on the right servers you can still get a good game. I've been enjoying some random games recently.

But in the end, these people are the main reason I don't play AOS much anymore, and BF3 tbh. Being in servers full of these people never ends well for me.
If I wanted to see them, I'd play black ops...

So you don't play, but you have some wall-of-text opinion about how the community is fucked.

Also here's some food for thought for everyone: if arena servers are banned like some people want, then where are those players going to go?

[danhezee]

Yea, that RPS article that was written a whole 9 days after the release of the game is when the community lost touch with its roots.

If you dont like arena dont play it. If you think it should be removed, get over yourself. The server running it is hosted by a member of the community, running a script developed by a member of the community, the map was created by a member of the community, the players playing on it are members of the community, the server software itself was created by a member of the community, and now we have a client made by a member of the community. It is all community generated content.

The community drives this ship. The entire purpose of this site is to continue to let the community take the game in the direction they want. Not arbitrarily remove community generated content. From my point of view the people wanting gamemodes removed want a list of pre-approved gamemodes dictated to them. There are plenty of game communities out there that essentially do that, none of which support server side scripting. Right now the steam version is very controlled because they dont support server side scripts.

If you don't like a custom gamemode your only option is to not play it. If you want to steer the direction of the community, you need to dive in.

[TheGreatestDest]

If you don't like a custom gamemode your only option is to not play it.

Someone failed to get the point of my whole post...

[Jdrew]

I don't think anyone did

[TheGreatestDest]

If you're going to shoot back at me (pun somewhat intended) with "just don't play those arena servers" one more time, quiet. I can play on my own server, and guess who I find? Come on, just guess?
Said player base above, and maybe the occasional vet.

You're trying to equate how long someone's been around with how good at the game they are, and that's really not how it works. And yeah, don't play arena servers if you don't want to play with arena players. How hard is that?

[ReubenMcHawk]

If you're going to shoot back at me (pun somewhat intended) with "just don't play those arena servers" one more time, quiet. I can play on my own server, and guess who I find? Come on, just guess?
Said player base above, and maybe the occasional vet.

You're trying to equate how long someone's been around with how good at the game they are, and that's really not how it works. And yeah, don't play arena servers if you don't want to play with arena players. How hard is that?

Yes, nice meme, but that doesn't really answer anything I just said. Please try again.

[Blockbuster]

I got to side with the greatest dest.
Bro, no matter how much this game is fucked you can't change it. People will rather call you stupid and fail to understand your post, purely becuase of their determination to make you look stupid over the welfare of the game.

As for what Reuben said, yes we don't have to play it. But we can't keep aos a counter strike clone. If we do, that it will be no better than the shitty tf2 clone 1.0 is.

[tra2]

I think the best policy here is no OpenShitness, no 0.75 bullshit. The best thing for everyone is just to go back to 0.35.

[EldredChandler]

As for what Reuben said, yes we don't have to play it. But we can't keep aos a counter strike clone. If we do, that it will be no better than the shitty tf2 clone 1.0 is.

I forgot how Counter Strike only has 3 weapons and air-strikes

[ReubenMcHawk]

I got to side with the greatest dest.
Bro, no matter how much this game is fucked you can't change it. People will rather call you stupid and fail to understand your post, purely becuase of their determination to make you look stupid over the welfare of the game.

As for what Reuben said, yes we don't have to play it. But we can't keep aos a counter strike clone. If we do, that it will be no better than the shitty tf2 clone 1.0 is.

Well yeah, the game itself is literally unchangeable. There's nothing we can do past start playing OpenSpades, and not everyone here can do that.

And honestly it all comes down to picking and choosing your experiences, something most people online have trouble with in several aspects these days. For instance, I don't like forum games, so I don't visit that subsection, rather than going there and posting about how useless I think they are. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean other people shouldn't either. The "arena players" aren't any less important than the "real fans".

[TheGreatestDest]

Reuben, once again, you fail to see the point...
"Arena players" don't only inhabit the arena servers. Quit acting like they can always be avoided.

[Blockbuster]

As for what Reuben said, yes we don't have to play it. But we can't keep aos a counter strike clone. If we do, that it will be no better than the shitty tf2 clone 1.0 is.

I forgot how Counter Strike only has 3 weapons and air-strikes

Hopeless. You can make every point in the world, this guy just won't get it.