Build and Shoot

What will this mean to our community here at Build and Shoot?

Rifle and Grenades o_O ?
Where's the SMG , Shotgun ? At lest they shouldn't be so "clever" like some are ,and remove that 2 traditional AOS weapons?
But now all we can do is to wait for the player impressions to tell us is it "Trenchy"

Vucgy wrote:

Rifle and Grenades o_O ?
Where's the SMG , Shotgun ? At lest they shouldn't be so "clever" like some are ,and remove that 2 traditional AOS weapons?
But now all we can do is to wait for the player impressions to tell us is it "Trenchy"

"traditional"? They were only added in later in the game, so they most certainly aren't traditional.

I wouldn't say.
First weapon ever was Rifle , But a game can't have one weapon so later on the SMG and Shotty made their way into AOS and now they are just as rifle weapons that cant be removed (from aos , I wont start about Iceball). And so they are the standard weapons that everyone knows from AOS (not your Rifle thats just one weapon) .

One thing they definitely got right was they actually found the right "key members of the community".

From my understanding, they seem to be developing it the right way; that is, by getting the basic shit right before adding stuff. But I could be wrong.

p.s. if they ever fucking dare want to add an SMG:
damage 34 head / 30 body / 21 limb
15 shots per second
5 second reload time
0.006 spread (v' = v/|v| + randvec3(1,-1)*0.006) <-- same as 0.60 SMG and 0.75 rifle
recoil Y = -0.0125, Xsin = 0.00005 <-- same as 0.60 SMG
ammo 20-120

Double-posting because it's not easy to quote from the "Edit post" thing.

Vucgy wrote:

I wouldn't say.
First weapon ever was Rifle , But a game can't have one weapon

This is absolute bullshit. This game only has one weapon, and I suspect there are other console games which also only have one weapon.

Vucgy wrote:

so later on the SMG and Shotty made their way into AOS and now they are just as rifle weapons that cant be removed

Or if we could get people to join in a revolution, we CAN get rid of the SMG.

Vucgy wrote:

(from aos , I wont start about Iceball). And so they are the standard weapons that everyone knows from AOS (not your Rifle thats just one weapon) .

Rifle, Grenade, and Spade are 3 weapons, anyway.

There is an issue known as "feature creep", and I think the main issue is that people don't know how to remove shit.

GreaseMonkey wrote:

Double-posting because it's not easy to quote from the "Edit post" thing.

Vucgy wrote:

I wouldn't say.
First weapon ever was Rifle , But a game can't have one weapon

This is absolute bullshit. This game only has one weapon, and I suspect there are other console games which also only have one weapon.

Vucgy wrote:

so later on the SMG and Shotty made their way into AOS and now they are just as rifle weapons that cant be removed

Or if we could get people to join in a revolution, we CAN get rid of the SMG.

Vucgy wrote:

(from aos , I wont start about Iceball). And so they are the standard weapons that everyone knows from AOS (not your Rifle thats just one weapon) .

Rifle, Grenade, and Spade are 3 weapons, anyway.

There is an issue known as "feature creep", and I think the main issue is that people don't know how to remove shit.

1.That really wasn't needed -_-. Accept It cant have 1 weapon.
2.I think the smg is a great weapon , that is at the current version a total pain in the arse , Yes I hate the .75 smg But it can be so damn much better balanced and game play forcing then this crap now , and it got a great potential that is totally unseen cause of this abnormal OP at .75 . If it would get balanced by someone who knews how to do it it would be so great and would make a great gameplay boost.
3.Sure just keep annoying ...

I'm fine with more then one weapon, for the love of god not the SMG. It just doesn't work with the way AoS is. You can't have "A middle range weapon" without it being complete garbage (which is where the issue of "Feature Creep" that grease mentioned comes in) or by nerfing the other weapons, and from the way Voxlap development went no body wanted to nerf the rifle

Articsledder wrote:

I'm fine with more then one weapon, for the love of god not the SMG. It just doesn't work with the way AoS is. You can't have "A middle range weapon" without it being complete garbage (which is where the issue of "Feature Creep" that grease mentioned comes in) or by nerfing the other weapons, and from the way Voxlap development went no body wanted to nerf the rifle

And your sig says to be optimistic

Articsledder wrote:

I'm fine with more then one weapon, for the love of god not the SMG. It just doesn't work with the way AoS is. You can't have "A middle range weapon" without it being complete garbage (which is where the issue of "Feature Creep" that grease mentioned comes in) or by nerfing the other weapons, and from the way Voxlap development went no body wanted to nerf the rifle

It at least should be a Block destroying weapon with low damage like 35 20 15. So a shotgun is better at close and Rifle near everywhere...

STRIKE081 wrote:

Articsledder wrote:

I'm fine with more then one weapon, for the love of god not the SMG. It just doesn't work with the way AoS is. You can't have "A middle range weapon" without it being complete garbage (which is where the issue of "Feature Creep" that grease mentioned comes in) or by nerfing the other weapons, and from the way Voxlap development went no body wanted to nerf the rifle

And your sig says to be optimistic

Sometimes it's incredibly hard to be optimistic. You do have to admit that some stuff is ultimately going to turn to shit.

Vucgy wrote:

It cant have 1 weapon.

Your claim that AoS can't have just one weapon is complete bullshit, and you have to accept the fact that yes, some games are perfectly OK with just one weapon. *cough* Subversive Takedown *cough*
Have you ever done game development yourself?

it looks pretty cool, I think they should probably focus on animations too, they look pretty bad for a game that you have to pay for. there probably isn't much of a reason to get it for that though, since the beta is still free

having both the shotgun and SMG was a dumb idea in the first place, it's the same reason why adding a sniper rifle so early on doesn't make any sense when the rifle does that fine. I think it would be fine if they went all out and added tons of guns(like many other games), but when you're having 3 weapons only, each one should have its own distinctive role.

by adding tons of guns they would ultimately lose all the original players

STRIKE081 wrote:

Articsledder wrote:

I'm fine with more then one weapon, for the love of god not the SMG. It just doesn't work with the way AoS is. You can't have "A middle range weapon" without it being complete garbage (which is where the issue of "Feature Creep" that grease mentioned comes in) or by nerfing the other weapons, and from the way Voxlap development went no body wanted to nerf the rifle

And your sig says to be optimistic

I was optimistic the first time we went through the SMG development cycle, Half the time I was the only person defending Ben's tweaks to balancing. Now that "we" have "finished" developing voxlap I can certainly say the SMG was a failure.

agreed it stuffed it up