We have become what we hated the most

[EldredChandler]

What's up with the huge influx of new people on the forums thinking they can tell everyone what to do?

[Arkger]

Oh god, YOU are still on this? What the hell have you honestly think I have been doing?

Bitching, moaning, and fear-mongering is all I've seen.

I've learned to work with Slab6, mess with scripting, and HELL, Im even trying to code!

Just looked, you do make mods, but they appear to be only for OpenSpades? At least that's how you're pushing them.

How about for once you stop trying to criticize people, and DO something like you are so advent on everyone else but you to do?! I'm trying, YOU aren't.

Uh, no. You're the one demanding change and yammering on about some coming doomsday for the community, I'm just sitting back and enjoying the game I always have. I'm not trying because there's nothing to try for.

And seriously, people losing interest=dying. Whoever told you that wasn't the case told you a lie.

I suppose in a way that's slightly true, but still, no. People lose interest, and people gain interest as well. A large number of the old community barely plays anymore, but more people came around and started playing.

And I as said plenty of times, I've been here from the start, just as a casual player. I just recently decided to step being because it KINDA is dying, you have you not noticed it? All BnS has done is prolonged it's death.

So BnS is prolonging the death. And yeah, no shit it's gonna die. All games do. People get bored with them, no matter what the circumstances.

I would really like to say I understand where you are coming from, but I don't, because you are as chill as ever with the game suffering, and waiting for an impossible means to get the ball rolling, which probably won't happen. YOU are waiting for another train out of a collapsing city when there is one waiting for you, and if it leaves, who knows if there will be another one? YOU are telling someone who is trying to help move things forward to stop what he is trying to do and leave. YOU who has done nothing but criticize is trying to call me out? Doesn't work that will, never will.

The problem here is you refuse to see things through my point of view. You're always going to sit here and see yourself as the grand savior of the "collapsing city". If you're not even going to try and comprehend the possibility of me being right, like I've tried to do with you, then you're not at all worth talking to. Enjoy your echo chamber.

I'm tired of you trying to incite flamewars with me because honestly, I don't care, and I'm just trying to move an idea of a game we all love forward, but as stated before, THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO WITH AoS .75 and .76 ANY FURTHER. This game has become stagnant, in fact I was basically gone until I found out about OpenSpades. Seriously, something needs to be done, and unlike you, I'm doing something else but whine about people pointing out ways.

But that's exactly what you're doing right now. And yeah, no shit there's nothing that can be done. Again, newer does not always mean better. I really don't buy that you've been here the whole time, because there's been plenty of update that have displeased people, and had them wanting to go back to an older version, .75 being one of them. If me placing my opposing opinion on here is your idea of a flame war, maybe you should have left, since socializing within a community doesn't seem to be your strong suit.

*sigh* I don't even.
Unlike you, there are people actually doing things about this game, and I don't bitch about change, I'm usually bringing it. It's really sad when a person a part of a community doesn't care for the game, and is content just watching it die, because as I have probably said to you once or twice already, things won't end well if people sit back. I'm really quite done with you, because I just feel like you embody the exact thing that's holding us back. I believe actions speak louder than words, so I'll keep on working, while you keep on doing whatever the hell it is you do, whether its bitching, or criticizing like it's damn politics.


Back on topic, I would like for each and one of you reading this to go back and skim these posts. Am I the only one who noticed this community is hugely divided? Like more than I thought it would be o_o. That read was alot more alarming to me, because it's not clear cut sides like everyone probably envisioned. No matter what I think happens, the community will be fragmented... Which is a really sad thing.

@Eldred If that pointed towards me, that snide comment was in reply to yours, because you made that comment with no provocation, and it's no one else's but your own if you feel a little agitated. Just saying.

[aidybee]

What's up with the huge influx of new people on the forums thinking they can tell everyone what to do?

I was pointing out

[EldredChandler]

Back on topic, I would like for each and one of you reading this to go back and skim these posts. Am I the only one who noticed this community is hugely divided? Like more than I thought it would be o_o. That read was alot more alarming to me, because it's not clear cut sides like everyone probably envisioned. No matter what I think happens, the community will be fragmented... Which is a really sad thing.

I'm assuming you don't read many threads then?

@Eldred If that pointed towards me, that snide comment was in reply to yours, because you made that comment with no provocation, and it's no one else's but your own if you feel a little agitated. Just saying.

Such passive aggression. I'm sure everyone who disagrees with you is trying to kill the game, and you're the sole savior we all need.

Spoiler:

Just saying

[Jdrew]

I haven't seen any change you have brought, you say that the community is doomed and other BS then do something. If you want the game to improve then improve it! I make maps in hopes that serves stop hosting year old maps that no one likes. People who hate the graphics make skins and scopes as well. All I see you do is bitch, do something that actually effects things for a change.

[ReubenMcHawk]

Unlike you, there are people actually doing things about this game, and I don't bitch about change, I'm usually bringing it.

What change have you brought?

It's really sad when a person a part of a community doesn't care for the game, and is content just watching it die, because as I have probably said to you once or twice already, things won't end well if people sit back.

So because I don't agree with you, suddenly I don't care about the game.

I'm really quite done with you, because I just feel like you embody the exact thing that's holding us back. I believe actions speak louder than words, so I'll keep on working, while you keep on doing whatever the hell it is you do, whether its bitching, or criticizing like it's damn politics.

But that's all you do.

Seriously, did you overlook that part toward the end where I said you're refusing to see this from any side other than your own? All you do is insist that the game and community are dying, and that anyone who disagrees with you doesn't care about the game and are "holding you back" or some other shit.

I'm sorry, but you live in a skeptical world, and you're not factually right 100% of the time. It's your responsibility to prove to us that the game's dying, without using alarmist language and attacking people who dared to ask you to back up your claims. Again, I really doubt you've been around for as long as you say you do, because there's still plenty of people who have been around the whole time that still enjoy the game. Meanwhile, there's an influx of people who have barely been around a year and say the game is dying and they're bored with it. Neither are right or wrong, it's their opinion, but you have no right trying to push yours onto everyone else. If you like OpenSpades so much, then go play it and enjoy it.

@Eldred If that pointed towards me, that snide comment was in reply to yours, because you made that comment with no provocation, and it's no one else's but your own if you feel a little agitated. Just saying.

That is such a cop-out it's ridiculous. This is a public forum, he can comment wherever he wants, just because you don't like what he says doesn't mean you get to make him feel uninvited.

And it feels weird as hell saying this, but Jdrew is absolutely right.

[Gingerninjaperson]

What's up with the huge influx of new people on the forums thinking they can tell everyone what to do?

[danhezee]

Feel like I have to chime in a say what I have said before many times. We have plans, we openly talk about our plans on the forums, irc, and mumble, our plans are based off of rational input from the community, "rational" being the key word here, and our plans are in motion.

Arkger, you arent being rational. You have taken a position where you do not acknowledge anyone else and repost the same point of view constantly. You say we need to move forward or the whole community dies in a month, we tell you exactly what the plan is and you ignore it and post the exact same point of view. Also bare in mind that things take time to implement, so if you want more out of OpenSpades and you dont have the skills to contribute, sit back and quietly wait for it or if it is possible provide rational feedback.

[Arkger]

Ok, let's do it this way.

I haven't seen any change you have brought,

Check the OpenSpades Section? I have made mods for the Reflex Sight, and I am working on coding.

you say that the community is doomed and other BS then do something.

See above? What do you think I'm trying to do?

If you want the game to improve then improve it!

See above? I don't think I have to say anything else?

I make maps in hopes that serves stop hosting year old maps that no one likes. People who hate the graphics make skins and scopes as well. All I see you do is bitch, do something that actually effects things for a change.

SEE ABOVE. jesus christ man, you repeated the same thing like 3 times, without checking any forums it seems. I kind of do like you, so I'm going to end it here. I understand where you are coming from but you didn't look far enough into anything.

Alright, lets do this.

I'm assuming you don't read many threads then?

Ermm, but I do. The Fragmentation seen in this thread kills anything I have seen by far, besides my first thread I think.

Such passive aggression. I'm sure everyone who disagrees with you is trying to kill the game, and you're the sole savior we all need.

To be fair, is it not you who started using passive aggression first? And the second line was obviously made go get at me, because that's no where near the point I was trying to make. It's obvious you are trying to get something out of me, so I'm just going to ignore it and move on.

And here we go.

What change have you brought?

See everything I said to Jdrew.

Seriously, did you overlook that part toward the end where I said you're refusing to see this from any side other than your own? All you do is insist that the game and community are dying, and that anyone who disagrees with you doesn't care about the game and are "holding you back" or some other shit.

Bring me quotes please, so I can clear them up, because I don't recall implying this at all. I have said however, that OS is the only way for us to move forward, meaning if BnS wants to go anywhere else, it has to jump on the OS train. Please don't interpret that as anything else, as you have done plenty of times.

I'm sorry, but you live in a skeptical world, and you're not factually right 100% of the time.

Elaborate for me please. I don't know what you are trying to say here, seems more like a shot in the dark, hoping to hit something.

It's your responsibility to prove to us that the game's dying, without using alarmist language and attacking people who dared to ask you to back up your claims.

Who said it's my responsibility? Unless you're blind, you can look at the serverlist and realize there aren't nearly as many people as there were months ago. Be real. And the bit about me attacking people is completely false, as I didn't really pounce on anyone, just retaliated, as shown here:

Again, I really doubt you've been around for as long as you say you do, because there's still plenty of people who have been around the whole time that still enjoy the game.

I've been here for a year now, and don't you think I know that? I kinda am still here. Plus, there has been a large amount of players lost too. The traffic we get nowadays comes from Arena and the gimmicky maps that aren't "supposed" to be a part of AoS anyways. For all I can tell, many vets are gone, and some are very close to leaving, if you don't believe me, check any of these threads about moving forward, what's happening, etc... vets do talk alot in those.

A huge amount of the original community has left Ace of Spades,

Meanwhile, there's an influx of people who have barely been around a year and say the game is dying and they're bored with it. Neither are right or wrong,/quote]
Only thing you have said I can agree with.

it's their opinion, but you have no right trying to push yours onto everyone else. If you like OpenSpades so much, then go play it and enjoy it.

When did I try to push any ideas onto anyone? You should have used better words, as I simply just made points about the same thing, that OS is the best way to go. And in that case, stop trying to push your "don't care" attitude on me either, if that is the wording we are using.
And I do play OS, I make mods for it, and I will code for it.

Arkger, you arent being rational. You have taken a position where you do not acknowledge anyone else and repost the same point of view constantly. You say we need to move forward or the whole community dies in a month, we tell you exactly what the plan is and you ignore it and post the exact same point of view. Also bare in mind that things take time to implement, so if you want more out of OpenSpades and you dont have the skills to contribute, sit back and quietly wait for it or if it is possible provide rational feedback.

Again, I didn't say the whole community dies in a month, I just said it will keep sliding. I have to admit, I do see what you mean, but you must understand, it's the only visible solution I see. I honestly don't know what this "plan" is dan, and I would love to hear it. And I will contribute to OpenSpades, and I already do. Plus I don't see how I'm not acknowleding anyone, if someone could elaborate. However, I really do appreciate you taking the time to post like this, instead in a half raging matter.


That's all I have to say.

[ReubenMcHawk]

To be fair, is it not you who started using passive aggression first? And the second line was obviously made go get at me, because that's no where near the point I was trying to make. It's obvious you are trying to get something out of me, so I'm just going to ignore it and move on.

Nah, he was just making a statement. You then got defensive, questioned his right to post here, and now you're using the good old "you're just a troll" cop-out. Nice one.

See everything I said to Jdrew.

Yeah, you made some mods for OpenSpades. That barely contributes to the game's growth in the grand scheme of things, and if anything you're just turning your words into a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you care about the whole game, maybe try and make some mods for the Voxlap version?

Bring me quotes please, so I can clear them up, because I don't recall implying this at all. I have said however, that OS is the only way for us to move forward, meaning if BnS wants to go anywhere else, it has to jump on the OS train. Please don't interpret that as anything else, as you have done plenty of times.

That's all you've been doing. Re-read your own posts and try reading them from the perspective of someone else who's not 100% assured that your word is law.

Elaborate for me please. I don't know what you are trying to say here, seems more like a shot in the dark, hoping to hit something.

Like I said above, you have to back up your statements with facts and proof. That's just how it works, for everything.

Who said it's my responsibility? Unless you're blind, you can look at the serverlist and realize there aren't nearly as many people as there were months ago. Be real. And the bit about me attacking people is completely false, as I didn't really pounce on anyone, just retaliated, as shown here:

Well, you're right, it's not really your responsibility, I was just assuming you wanted people to actually believe you. And yeah, because people got bored and left. Likewise, more people came here to play. Can you think of any game that never dropped off after an amount of time, and just kept getting more and more people until the end of time?

I've been here for a year now, and don't you think I know that? I kinda am still here. Plus, there has been a large amount of players lost too. The traffic we get nowadays comes from Arena and the gimmicky maps that aren't "supposed" to be a part of AoS anyways. For all I can tell, many vets are gone, and some are very close to leaving, if you don't believe me, check any of these threads about moving forward, what's happening, etc... vets do talk alot in those.

And there's that again. "Arena isn't REAL AoS hurr" Says who? It's the game, people enjoy it, and nobody's forcing you to play it. And yeah, again, people got bored of the game. That happens with every single game. Also a year isn't really that long, some people have been here for nearly three years and they're not bored of the game..

Meanwhile, there's an influx of people who have barely been around a year and say the game is dying and they're bored with it. Neither are right or wrong

Only thing you have said I can agree with.

And yet you seem to also believe that Arena is objectively bad and not "real AoS".

When did I try to push any ideas onto anyone? You should have used better words, as I simply just made points about the same thing, that OS is the best way to go. And in that case, stop trying to push your "don't care" attitude on me either, if that is the wording we are using.
And I do play OS, I make mods for it, and I will code for it.

This entire thread has been you trying to force some doomsday shit down our throat. And what does that even mean, my "don't care" attitude?

Oh, also your entire post reeks of adorable little passive-aggressive jabs at me and some self-imagined level of superiority, might wanna check that before you hit Reply again.

[EldredChandler]

I'm assuming you don't read many threads then?

Ermm, but I do. The Fragmentation seen in this thread kills anything I have seen by far, besides my first thread I think.

Then you would know we have had this exact same comments and threads about fragmentation and not moving forward since the forums started. Every single day.

[Granny]

Well, this argument is fascinating so far. I'm sure that the name-calling and pointless debate exhibited here will truly bring back AoS from its death. Or were we arguing about that too?

inb4 "screw off"

[Vezok]

Well, this argument is fascinating so far. I'm sure that the name-calling and pointless debate exhibited here will truly bring back AoS from its death. Or were we arguing about that too?

inb4 "screw off"

If by "name-calling" and "pointless debate" you mean Reuben exhibiting superior logic, then yes.

[Jdrew]

wait isn't fighting among our selves ruining the community?

[Vezok]

wait isn't fighting among our selves ruining the community?

Differing opinions is how progress is made in any form of community